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Prove me wrong by actually discussing the topic and refuting the thread's claim rather than going on about a weird version of the Euthyphro Dilemma wh...

"No it isn't. The Euthyphro dilemma is "Is the good loved by the gods because it is good, or is it good because it is loved by the gods?". I'm not ask...

"The whole basis of what you're saying here is the Euthyphro Dilemma. — Ram No it isn't. The Euthyphro dilemma is "Is the good loved by the gods becau...

"No, I'm asking you what you would do if killing blasphemers isn't immoral. If you had an objective moral obligation to kill blasphemers, as establish...

I remember when I was 13.

I'm referring to a conception of God that pretty much every major religion is familiar with. If you don't know what I'm talking about, so be it.

How can you prove I need to prove my claim? Do you have any science experiments to prove that I need to prove my claim? No, Kantianism is not objectiv...

"now if God.... THE God told me to follow OT laws...... you are arguing whether it would be right to follow even though supposedly God says to do some...

"I didn't say that you did. I asked you if you would obey if it were it true. You say I asserted rather than argued. Okay, we can suppose I just asser...

Existence of God (as in God with capital G) would entail natural law. You cite "gods" and there being alleged evil "gods". God with capital G is diffe...

What do I mean by believe in? I don't know, I'm not a dictionary. I'm not webster. I believe there is a natural law. Do you believe there isn't one? W...

"Yes, I said it was impossible based on an Absolute definition." Okay, wonderful. We agree. We don't need walls of text rather than just stating the t...

I don't believe in Leviticus. I'm simply arguing that secular objective morality isn't possible. You say I asserted rather than argued. Okay, we can s...

You don't need that many paragraphs to say objective secular morality doesn't exist.

Uh, yeah. I'm not on a forum all day. And which religion exactly am I promoting on this thread?

What is there for us to argue about? I claimed objective secular morality is impossible. You agreed. Unless you want to change that position, we both ...

I mean I guess I could also send you a giant series of texts too long for you to read and claim I won an argument. It wouldn't prove anything, though,...

I mean the fact is.... all I was arguing was that secular objective morality isn't really possible. And my point stands.

It is? So you've found the Holy Grail? Well show it then. Spill the beans on your discovery.

I believe in an underlying natural law. It's not something specific to Abrahamic or Eastern religion. I've studied both. Whether you're Christian, Tao...

You cannot possibly prove that there is no such thing as an underlying natural law that exists. For you to deny its existence is just an assertion wit...

Without a basis in natural law, it may be subjective or arbitrary- but as arbitrary or subjective as what you proposed. What the people here seem to b...

so in other words you admit that secular objective morality is impossible but you say objective morality isn't even possible anyways and so we should ...

It is like for a chicken to support me? Chickens have little to worry about from me. I prefer beef.

Well I guess if you look at it from a very immoral perspective. If you want to be a moral person than morality has to be an end in itself.

If science and math have a monopoly on truth then this forum has no business existing and all of us should stop being interested in philosophy and get...

"Fascism denies the equation: well-being = happiness, which sees in men mere animals, content when they can feed and fatten, thus reducing them to a v...

If there is a God then there is a natural law.

(to give an example of secular alleged moral frameworks really just being a smokescreen- "bringing freedom to Iraq" or "bringing Freedom" in general t...

Seeing something in a dream then seeing it in real life the next day.

Not as a euphemism for atheism.

Mere assertion? Your post is utilizing mere assertion. Where are your proofs? If you've never read Sartre and don't understand Existentialism, you're ...

What? So if you live in a society where human sacrifice is accepted, you would be against it? It clashes with your own sense of what is right and wron...

There is a "big problem"? Where have I blindly referred to a "big problem"? I said there is a hole in materialism but I don't know where I've referred...

So the basis of "relative morality" is what the local culture is? You said something about the culture of the UK. I didn't see that post. Okay. So you...

Word games. What is the basis of "morality" for moral relativism? One's whims and fancies? That is the "basis"?

I've read all three of them. They were all moral relativists (except maybe Nietzsche... with Nietzsche I think it's complicated and debatable).

Say man (or woman), I enjoy discussing with atheists as long as we're both respectful. If I'm rude to you, let me know. I don't want to be rude. As fa...

What point? I made a thread called "the big gaping hole in materialism". I addressed materialism. I already explained in another thread- I believe in ...

ChatteringMonkey is an atheist too. He himself took down your premise. I think it's interesting how you took your false premise and ran with it: I poi...

In self-defense, for example.

Are you going to address any points?

Again- yes. The topic is "the big gaping hole in materialism". Yes. I address the subject. Another subject is another discussion.

Ridicule or non-ridicule is not a criteron of truth. You should know that. And it's the general principle that counts- I'm not comparing myself with K...

Yes, I'm all for reasoning. What I'm against the hegemony of the "Reason" I've described here:

Where is the debate over whether or not atheists should be allowed to express their views? And where is the push to make sure that atheists only expre...

I will explain this to you. Everything here needs to be based on "Reason". And "Reason" is that which operates from atheistic premises. That which goe...

´again I think "Reason" to you is that which fits in your particular framework and that which is outside of your preconceived framework is outside of ...

Well which one is it? I got one post telling me that my post was excessively long and now this one telling me I didn't go in depth enough. I thank you...

I mean... are driven by seeking truth or by emotions?? They say my post is "negative". I'm supposed to apologize for my post not being happy, feel-goo...