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People will say that this is more a matter of policy, and can change to some degree and is measurable, so can be evaluated. In other words, they might...

When you say "injustices", you are talking about the usual ones brought up like environmental degradation, harm to poorer people, especially in second...

If I understand Julio Cabrera correctly, you are describing a similar argument. He thinks that this world is morally disqualifying precisely because i...

This is a salient point that people keep overlooking. There are the few cases where there are sociopaths that do these things.. I would say that is a ...

Don't procreate. Because not being able to unnecessarily harm others, even if it frustrates ones preferences, even if one is doing it because one want...

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Who's the judge :wink: I can't speak for Bartricks. Personally, I would not have used language like "innocence" but it seemed to me that it can be ref...

You are talking as if the possibility of a child is a fiction. The possibility that a real child will be born is "on the table" so to speak. You are s...

So you are literally stating the cause for which you are using people (by harming them unnecessarily).

If one is alone on an island then ethics in regards to other people doesn't matter, yet ethics is still valid. Once another person lands on the island...

@"I like sushi" I see this the same as saying, "Don't harm people unnecessarily". Unnecessarily implies that there was no good reason to harm that per...

Giving purpose to the universe literally doesn't make sense to me. The universe is not a "thing" to give "purpose to". Humans might feel a sense of pu...

But who’s the fool and who is suffering the fool? The Arrogant Bastard’s eternal dilemma contradiction.

He was always arrogant and dismissive but yes, his aggression got worse over time it seems.

Here here.. His special treatment came from an idea I raised that if a person is knowdgeable in specialized areas, people often give that person a pas...

This brings up a more general moral principle.. How much leeway does one give those who possess a lot of information about X? For example, from what I...

Yep :100: yep

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Was there a specific comment or thread that broke the camels back to get him kicked out?

Dude, he had some good information sometimes.. and when focused on a source text, could lead some constructive debates... but that guy pissed on every...

I always held out for the hope that he would have a sensible debate that didn't turn into vicious attacks, insulting rhetoric, and automatically dismi...

But alas, this isn't what is happening. Since no one is actually harmed from being prevented, there is no actual foul for any person in this case. Bes...

This is all that's needed. Unless you don't mind YOU yourself, don't mind causing unnecessary harm to others, no other contingencies are needed. And c...

Moral intuitionism is not the same as the ad populum fallacy. You would have to distill what is the moral facts of the mater and what are non-moral fa...

Both are true.. Cultural practices have been (generally) getting more X, Y, Z (tolerant, less harm-based, etc.), but also people's behaviors surroundi...

I actually didn't see that you answered him. Because I try to do the right thing, and I now know something I didn't know earlier.. I'm going to take i...

This doesn't overcome my objection :roll:. Yet as you well should know, life will absolutely be guaranteed to contain some harm, and significant amoun...

Yes he does seem to be moving to questioning all of ethics as a relative thing now.

Ugh. No, that is not analogous. If you put a gun to someone's head to drive a car, you're getting closer. But even then, it's not really analogous but...

No, and yes it would require a lot more than this thread is arguing.

Really? I would never unnecessarily harm someone to any significant degree if I could help it. This is the arguments vegetarians/vegans make though. W...

Creating a mess, without intent to harm, but with knowledge that it will harm, and for no good reason for the person it is affecting because no one ex...

I had a long response here, but I want to get back to the topic at hand.. If you want to start a metaethics thread.. let's debate it there.

It’s precisely what Harrison was getting at. If a sociopath has no moral intuition then it doesn’t mean it’s right. That’s what analysis of given situ...

Intuition is usually a vague sense that’s all. This feels wrong or right. Sociopaths don’t get to have cart Blanche for example.

Are you trying to get at the idea that what people report is simply what is morality?

Look again at Harrison’s implications. There are patterns in moral intuitions that are consistent but then misapplied for procreation. So it’s interpr...

Rational analysis of vague intuitions.

More tripe. Moral intuitions aren’t equivalent to ad populism. Pro life is now the federal law in the US. Even if that was because 51% of people think...

Ridiculous. Creating that situation he’s talking about. If you create a mess for someone else and say that no one is obligated to get you out of that ...

Perhaps I'm not quite following. I think my rephrasing clarifies otherwise confusing terms.. That is to say, no one "deserves" to be unnecessarily har...

To be fair, that is the part I least care about in his argument, but to be charitable, I think he is saying that the conclusions of one act doesn't no...

The term “deserve” can be preserved here. No one “deserves” to be unnecessarily harmed. To me, that’s basically what this translates to. That way, you...

So in moral particularism and particularism in general, you can look at context. Here, for example, are we doing something to a specific individual or...

People like to do the old switcheroo and pretend that all harm in life is trivial harm. But only when debating against antinatalism :roll:.

Did you read the article? Shall I quote from it? That's the damn problem! Misapplication.. Because "people" do things "all the time" doesn't exempt th...

What, did you go to Mean Girls school.. Everyone's coloring their hair today, so should I.. Ridiculous. Or perhaps it's more of a Carrie situation.."T...

Not even my argument. People DO NOT deserve to be UNNECESSARILY harmed.. In other words, there's no good reason to harm that person (other than let's ...

You can say whatever you want. Not true though. People don't deserve to unnecessarily be harmed..This implies not an impersonal thing, but by the acti...

I think this argument can be subsumed in a more general one of simply not using people. That is to say, no one deserves to be harmed for X reasons, an...