Wasn't Edison's lab the model for the modern groups of engineers/technicians who create the patented technology? Also the Fords and early chemical man...
Why should we create people that must be united in the first place. What right do we have to create new people? Legitimate question. Go back to the ro...
We are put into a treadmill on top of a thresher. If we actually try to get off the treadmill, we only get torn in the thresher. The low level annoyan...
Tying in my thread on technology..it doesn’t matter finance as much as who holds and distributes the knowledge and understanding. Your phone, computer...
@"Srap Tasmaner" I'd like to go back to this because I think I got lost in my own message. Yes, there is some aspect of what I call "minutia-mongering...
I'm not saying it's "imposing shit on the helpless plebs". That's just what it becomes. It's not necessarily designed that way, that is simply the nat...
I think anything that is "objective" has a subjective component due to the fact that it is the subject deciding why the object is important in the fir...
Well, it is about control to some extent. There are those who understand and create the technology, and those that can only use it. There are those wh...
I meant more we are a passive consumer of technology rather than its creator. You can support it, buy it, service it. But you probably didn’t design o...
In a way.. Think of it this way.. The internet is a behemoth of complex technology.. It started with Arpanet, and the technology behind that.. TCP/IP....
Different. You are a bit player to the guy(s) who figured out principles of harnessing and distributing electricity. You can say that baseball isn't b...
Because it becomes a hierarchy where you become a secondary character in your own life. You just support those who matter to the creation of the tools...
It's kind of in there briefly but basically whereas natural processes are not in our control, human-made processes are the outcome of other people's d...
Because you are simply a passive user who does not get to be involved in that which you use for various utility. It's about being excluded.. In the ca...
Cool observation, but still not quite what I'm getting at. Both the airplane and parachute creator are involved in the technology. The ones just using...
So you are in the confused camp? So it is pessimistic in that unless you are of the elite who have these positions, you simply are a passive user of t...
Not quite but cool imagery. Rather the graduate student got to do what was primary/essential/Forms (technology creation) and everything from the trans...
Similar to antinatalism, if you don't have to cause other animals pain unnecessarily, why do so? It would be a naturalistic fallacy to point to evolut...
Since you have not provided how ethical and moral are defined in context of antinatalism, you are missing pieces that would even lead to a conclusion ...
Rather, they maintain that a reasonable judgement would come to the conclusion that starting another's life, is ALWAYS problematic/wrong. Just like a ...
Really insightful contribution, thanks! But I would contest a point here: I am not necessarily looking at it from a pragmatic/effect.. I realize that ...
But that's the point of the debate.. At one point some people thought slavery was moral and ethical system as well as medieval cruel and unusual punis...
But in the case of technology, it is human made, so paradoxically..it sustains us, some are involved in specialists aspects of it, but most are not an...
This may be..but I am looking at it from a core and auxiliary, where the core needs the auxiliary in a secondary sense (to sell, market, account for, ...
@"RussellA" @"Agent Smith" @"Real Gone Cat" So it's a bit different even than that. Rather, it's not the pretty common trope of using modern technolog...
So yeah I pretty much had the definition correct- personal vs social. But not sure how it applies here. Ethics if used I this way is about institution...
It would still be useful to summarize this distinction or provide a reference. If this is central then it really should be explained in your words wha...
Yes very much so. Don’t bring a person who experiences more inescapable, non-trivial, non consented suffering into the world. Don’t paternalistically ...
I thought it was an interesting post. I'm trying to understand the difference between the moral and ethical here. It looks like a mix of a couple thin...
I simply present the problem. If you want, we can try to carry out a dialectic about where this goes, but I don't think it would lead anywhere. But he...
Done that. I go back and forth. Sometimes ignore.. Sometimes call it out. 15 years on a forum (this and the previous version).. you gotta switch it up...
I think we have relied on tools from the very beginning. In fact, that, along with social and linguistic forces, were factors in the development of ou...
I’ve been in this forum for a long time. I understand how many of the posters work. Asshole and dickish comments are the norm if you disagree. Can't j...
I'll look into that. But 100% agree about the gatekeeping. I am even more terrified of the malaise of minutia that comes out of the science.. These pe...
@"Agent Smith" I hope you weren't gleaning ANY of these themes of the Noble Savage in my OP. None of this was what I was getting at. I think this lead...
Is it possible for the individual to “know” or more importantly replicate all the technology and processes that sustains him/her? Electricity, heating...
I've played with these themes before, but we as individuals in this society have already lost. We play out the game other people have designed from a ...
The fundamental problem is baseline striving (necessary) suffering) and contingent negative experiences. The solution is quietude. Don’t replicate it....
More widgets, more widgets. We need more widgets. Continuation of life is a political position as is its rejection. Vote nay. Conservatives see injust...
It’s simply a political move. Someone envisions another person continuing on the current order and experiencing the current order. They voted yes to i...
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