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Then, to me, not much of an explanation. All things can be solved thus.

Right. Good quote there. But is not All Will? Why Object (and its form space/time)? He only says a subject is for an object, like it's just a matter o...

I actually might agree here, and I am glad to see the word "perspectiveless" in there.

Damn, bringing in the speculative realists! :clap:

Ok, so my problem again is that whence the individuation and PSR and mind and objects if all is unindividuated Will? Without making non-helpful analog...

I could be mistaken, but this seems more Kant than Schopenhauer's take on Kant.

Right, again, cool stuff, but doesn't answer my question. Whence PSR if all is Will? Whence objects, and their more Platonic Forms? That is to say how...

Look, I know that graduate level philosophy of mind is heavily based on "materialism" or takes that for granted to the point that it's not even materi...

I think that there isn't much of a difference, and it would seem to me, Schop wouldn't have a problem with that either. He was making a series of jump...

Blah, cool stuff but not quite getting at the questions I had.

Ah, so it's used in academia but it's not the "real" academia :roll:. Only those in the know, know.

I also remember the courses. Broadly-speaking the schools of thought were broken into dualism and materialism.. Dualism went over substance, property,...

I'm not going to let you get away with that. Philosophy of mind still breaks down most theories at the university level into materialism and dualism.

:clap: I like the term "deathfuck wheel". I think it's even worse than that. Rather, add in a bit of Zapffe + Schopenhauer, and you get "Humans- overs...

Well let me break my questions down some more: How does "mind" fit in with Schopenhauer in your estimation? We have Will, subject-for-object. We have ...

How does "mind" fit in with Schopenhauer in your estimation? How does time/space/causality and the PSR "come about", and if it is eternal (like the Fo...

This seems to be a "tactic" from some realists/materialists/physicalists. Conflate all idealism with subjective idealism (pace Berkeley).

@"Janus" He goes on... So he is saying, any sort of movement or behavior is actually Will from humans to animals to forces in space and time. He start...

@"Janus" Then he goes on...

You can't get to the thing itself by way of empirical observation. You will never get at it that way. That is where the realists/materialists are miss...

You’re literally equivocating here in a way that the OP was questioning. Behavior versus mental. Or if it’s not equivocating it’s at least not acknowl...

@"FrancisRay" When it comes to hard problem (or more broadly mental versus physical or realism versus idealism, etc), one place to start is at the not...

I'd like to answer this from a different angle. By our very birth, there is something presupposed with existence. There are forces beyond what we woul...

Well, Schopenhauer is a weird case. You have a unitary Will and the Representation of Will as represented by all the objectified manifestations indivi...

Care to explain your version of how idealism is solipsistic?

A good place to start might be here: This is basically saying that you can't get to the "root of being" by looking at the relations of things like qua...

I'm not committed to anything. However, I would try to represent Schop's case charitably and seriously.

Before I proceed, would you like citations, or is it just the subject itself is always going to be this way?

@"Quixodian" Banno might be pointing to the idea of things such as time/space being in a sense no more ancient than the first animal, or the first con...

Excellent :up: Excellent question and hard to answer for Schop. However, I think this diagram is one of the better ones breaking down Schop's metaphys...

I actually think catharsis is had with right perspective so bring on the party. Classic case of suffering Olympics. I’m not falling for that trope.

I was saying that an all good god would create some kind of utopia like these:

Yes, and is this not something a human would think of? It's pretty odd to be the "will he/won't he" character in someone's moral drama and to punish a...

I just don't see morality being so invariant that cosmic suffering is ever justified. As I said, if you were to create a world with suffering, for wha...

Isn't it funny that if we are having a "good time", we tend to forget those who aren't? You might be "ok" at the moment, but others certainly aren't. ...

Well yeah. I just call this small time stuff. Make a universe to watch a game of "will they won't they?". Eh, seems so pedestrian. It's one step away ...

So suffering is justified as long as a deity is causing or allowing it?

First, this was a hypothetical "If there was a god". I am not sure "Gaia" as a standin for simply "Nature" counts. So that is a bit moving the target ...

Those things are all ideas/concepts that you gave examples of. Ideas are part of the "what-it's-like" subjective nature of "mental". That is the thing...

Surely some will say whatever it is that God does, says, or commands is good and not evil, no? But the actions and outcomes say otherwise, at least fr...

From the Elder Gods: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos_deities? Or just gaslighting answers. Is he this incompetent (pace George Carlin)?...

:up: well put. Psychopathic tendencies too. But see, 1 it’s out of an incomprehensible cosmic love. You can not fathom the good of the suffering in th...

That is to say, perhaps it is god who is the one who is missing morals. That is to say, at what point is "cosmic good" evil in its relation to "human ...

Thanks for your post! Yes, I agree, it is the slipping in and out of these categories that can cause problems all over, especially correlation versus ...

Yeah I was trying to think the best label. “Process philosophy” or organism seems very specific. I meant neutral monism in that it’s all occasions of ...

You misinterpret how “physical” is being used in its juxtaposition to mental. It doesn’t mean “physics” as you seem to be using it. There is a way in ...

Heh, well you went full-tilt into it. I am only speculating at the edges. That is to say, I am posing the question, but I am not going to say necessar...

I forgot to answer here... Yes Professor Russell had some good insight there. The physical is always our mental description of the physical and thus, ...

Well specifically, what do you think of this?

Do you get what I am trying to say with these three inter-related arguments, @"plaque flag"?