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This video might help as a good jumping off point for a Harman's view of objects. Perhaps we can have a discussion on it? As I do think it more than i...

But, it seems since Wittgenstein's "method" is not direct, this will always be more of a problem, and especially so for his particular brand of philos...

No you can understand what they intend to examine, see how they examine it, critique it, and offer your own alternative. One can get a picture of what...

Yeah, I like your analogy there. So I think you are correct. He is caught in the "web of ecology" and is trying to demonstrate various ways that langu...

Sure, I'd agree with that, but I am not sure the whole PI was what convinced me of this. There might be some personality types this is useful for- one...

Ironically, you are trying to convey some sort of "certainty" about WIttgenstein's philosophy to me :snicker:. I just "love" how the usual discourse i...

Yes, I can agree with things like this when applied to say, Kant's Categorical Imperative. One can spend all day figuring out how reality can be set u...

I don't think any of this really answers my critiques about Radagasting and that this is aimed more a particular kind of philosophies that try to make...

I have not, but it looks like we independently have the same conclusion. :fire: :100: Yes! This is what I have been saying. He explains the issue well...

There is a hidden dualism embedded in physical descriptions sure. Neurons X firing is equated with mental event without explanation (easy vs hard prob...

@"Leontiskos" et al, When we use "essence" do we mean the defining feature of the referent, or the defining feature of meaning of the word referring t...

All good stuff there, but I'm just going to pick this out. So my question is, do you think that Witt cares so much about behavior or context within a ...

:lol: :up: Exactly. I will now dub this "Radagasting" (see my post above for why). :100: :fire: . Yes, you hit the nail here. Demonstration without an...

I'll respond to this too, but see my above post too as I think you might find it interesting: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/839480

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@"Banno"@"Antony Nickles" I see Witt's style in PI as a sort of "confounding" affect/effect. I can't say if it is intentional, but it is the way the t...

Just an idea out of leftfield, Graham Harman had the notion of "withdrawal" and a "hidden" aspect of objects. Objects "withdraw" from other objects an...

The impreciseness of language does not negate the attempt at understanding the world. It does not mean to close up shop. It certainly helps illustrate...

This is misleading. He talks about usage of language (apples, and brake-levers oh my). He is giving examples of various uses of language, not ontologi...

But wait, there’s more..cause there is a subgroup that tried to assign preciseness to language in such a way- early analytics like Russell and Frege. ...

But don’t worry what I do get is Witt thought we shouldn’t try to philosophize about these things as there is no certainty. I just think that doesn’t ...

See this is all meaningless to me. In 1-3 sentences, explain to me what Wittgenstein's views of metaphysics, epistemology, and ethics are. If you cann...

Yep. But then it goes back to this: If I asked you to show me the video game and you constantly referred me back to how you used the code to create th...

Yes, this accords more or less with what I said here

I guess what I’m saying is the object itself falls out perhaps. Whatever the object is, it’s a way to help define meaning. And that’s its importance i...

And I don’t even think he cares about the question. The flock of disciples will then in unison say “because you can’t” or some such.

Can’t it mean physically pointing to an object?

If you are trying to get ontological commitments from PI, you won't find any as far as I see. Besides that meaning of words comes from language games,...

See my response here. I think this helps illustrate it: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/839179

Presumably, someone might say the "pointing to its bearer" is a function to help the person get a sense of its "use" (i.e. the word refers to that obj...

So how does one use Wittgenstein's "revelation" (the common sense notion that we already knew that a words meaning changes with context) pertain to su...

@"RussellA" This weeks comic ha. Very appropriate. https://existentialcomics.com/comic/516

But this itself is a language game of how "certainty" is used. I'm going to push back that this as even appropriate to use for all of them, as they al...

Eh, that's so vague though. Talk about language games! Plato's search for "Truth" and Kant's search for "reason" or "knowledge", or whatnot are in the...

Indeed it is to a degree. Or rather application of misguided use of language towards example philosophers that isn’t just adherents auguring.

Is it? How do you know? There are smidgens of philosophers he sort of mentions but this seems very interpretive. More auguring. But I don't see that a...

So, clearly the utopia doesn't exists in this world; manufacture whatever scenario you want to make it a utopia- what you are reiterating is simply th...

The prophet for Wittgenstein... Then why doesn't he just say it thus? There is a point where "showing it and not saying it" becomes pedantically pedan...

It just seems like not making any commitments and saying "language games" is akin to putting on a pair of sunglasses and posting an "office closed" si...

I believe Schopenhauer drew inspiration from Boheme. @"Wayfarer" can perhaps confirm that with the book he is reading on Schopenhauer. Schopenhauer wa...

I raised this point in another thread. If g/G is omnipotent, either 1) g/G is a sociopath or 2) g/G is beyond good and evil. 1) This would be that g/G...

But that doesn't answer the metaphysical question of "what" is this concept apple. It is obviously a mental thing. What is that? Witt doesn't have an ...

I think it's important to understand that "analytic philosophy" is dominated by examining propositions (or in Wittgenstein's later idea "language game...

Yes, that is what seems to have happened more-or-less, but I was being rhetorical as to present what is problematic with these approaches in general. ...

Right, but then where did the internal states "go"? "What" were they for them? Why didn't they care?

I actually did a "Find" on the word "objects" in PI, just in case I missed something, and it showed up 38 times. None of the instances discussed objec...

Indeed they aren't. That is barely discussed in PI. Indeed, it's all language games, all the way down. But this doesn't say much about metaphysics or ...

Ironically, even though I disagree perhaps with this ontologically nihilistic claim, the fact that he (Cortens) spends any time explaining objects (as...

Sure, and perhaps that is the case in this instance. That remains to be seen (because after all, these are two-sided interlocutors on an internet foru...

It's not even so much just fanboying. Look, I "fanboy" on Schopenhauer. Perhaps I'll start a thread on something about him shortly, even. But Schopenh...