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:up: Yes, that's why I like the term "liberal democracy" as opposed to "illiberal democracy". Just having elections is part of the equation. It is hav...

It’s a weird intractable bear trap in some ways there. It’s clear that Netanyahu contributed to shitty and bad faith leadership, making moves that bas...

So again, why are you ignoring my whole post above when I’m saying the exact same thing you are saying here? Here is the post again if you want to try...

I have heard various versions of this actually, though granted much more can be said on how military tactics are decided. But maybe that’s a security ...

And then declare war on the people you refused the offer to?

So why didn't you quote one of the first things I wrote? I just outright said Fukuyama was wrong and said he admitted he was wrong too. This is a phil...

Well, being that Trumpism might pretty much take down the worlds oldest surviving liberal democracy, they have their own strategies that look similar....

This kind of stemmed from the thread on Israel/Palestine/Gaza. There are people who don't differentiate between "Palestinians" and "Hamas". Some extre...

My point was not whether it was a good idea or not, but it's the reality of the world order post WW2, both for Europe and the former colonies (though ...

Surely this is more Fukuyama inspired End of History stuff. Israel Palestine are still in history. Russia has brought it back in Eastern Europe. The 9...

I'm not so consequentialist per se. I'm not sure what to call it, but I would say "big toe theory". That is to say, everything in the Middle East is b...

For sure. I think modern times has given us ways to be pissed off for a lot longer, history or otherwise. Then again, how many years did France fight ...

It would be cool if they could have a confederation of sorts at least where social issues are their own polity but economics populations can freely fl...

I just disagree with this. It gets stickier and sticker with the circumstance of the 1948 war. One side accepted, the other outright didn't like the U...

Your solution is heads on pikes because there is no compromise. Again, you can be right, on top of a pile of skulls all you want.

For sure. One would hope/think.

We've already recounted the history numerous times here. First off, you would be against Israel in 1948 as you would in 1967, 1973, 1982, etc. So what...

You're taking away a point I am not making. Rather, it's the grievance game that has to stop. You are encouraging it rather than thinking of solutions...

Cool, have fun ruling over your skulls and heads on pikes. Then YOU can be the Lord of the Flies.

Granted, I just think that the grievance game isn't going to help anything and stoking it as a matter of policy is as morally questionable. If a great...

I fixed it right after. Did you not get the edited version?

True enough, I mentioned the PLO in Jordan (ended with them being kicked out and the assassination of the Jordanian prime minister), and then a reform...

I think his point was at which indignation does one choose focus on?

I just don't think under the circumstances of the world order, how these two groups want to be governed (Jewish or Arab Muslim polities), this is feas...

I'm talking a usual sticking point, the "right of return" from 1948 War. But also, let's say Israel deems that there are parts of the West Bank that a...

Apparently not: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/851448 Yes. Certainly. So this is where I keep railing against the idea of "I want m...

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/14754/western-civilization/p1

Ok so that's unrealistic. Israel's whole existence is to have a place in the world where there can't be more pogroms and holocausts (which makes this ...

:up: however people will rebut that it is the whole body and not just the brain so it’s direct in that this is how the human brain body processes the ...

How should they have handled 10-7 as prime minister? Your citizens were raped, you had babies burned, people shot in cars and their bodies paraded aro...

Was that double post intentional? You just posted the same post again- the very post I said I did not understand what you were trying to say.

I’m also reminded of this: https://youtu.be/9ttCXGMJIvs?si=J2jPdVamlFfZ8BDa Eerily looks like Dick Cheney way before he looked like that :lol:.

I honestly can’t figure out what you are saying. I see you quoted me though and it had something to do with the Middle East being a mess from how Euro...

Indeed. Self-righteousness becomes its own smug example of non-humility. If you are humble, you simply ARE humble, you don't have to say it. It is not...

As far as your last question, Maher is uniquely politically "incorrect". He says stuff that is often "off the cuff". Where in polite society, we would...

:rofl: Man is it easy to hide under the US, militarily, and historically, huh? Now you can sit back and be back seat drivers.. critics on the sideline...

Ok so we can all agree every side has a weird fetish with apocalypticism (or at least some fetish with ancient glories). Perhaps we can put extremist ...

Why does it seem like Britain, France, and Western Europe etc downplay their hand in this and colonialism in general and just are content putting the ...

Before I respond, how about the post before about Sykes-Picot, it’s goals, it’s failure, etc. https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/851248

Good point there. I was going to make that one but had some bigger issues to bring up. I thought that one was too obvious.

You don't think there are sides in the Islamic realm that also wants to see an apocalypse of sorts in Israel/Palestine? There is a sort of "liberation...

Just curious, what do you make of how the Middle East turned out with the Sykes-Picot agreement? Seems pretty dismal. What were the goals of Britain a...

Oil has always been the big game in that region. Take down the Ottomans and install various oil kingdoms. That didn’t quite work. Luckily for Britain ...

I couldn't help but think of Debord's idea of The Spectacle (sorry @"Merkwurdichliebe", I brought in an architect of critical theory, but not Frankfur...

No it’s more, can it protect its own people from itself and others. Rights Theory sees government as always a possibility of tyranny. US government us...

Yes, :up:. I think he’s right on there and that threat becomes imperative. I’ll have more to say later but wanted to acknowledge that comment.

I don't have more to add to that. Nuanced. The "dilemma" and contradictions you discuss are well-stated and laid out here.

Thanks! :smile:

:up: Indeed, now it's called "woke mob". That is to say, their "tolerance" has turned into "intolerance" of other opinions. It is an inability to unde...

Perhaps, I can see that. So by "Leftist" it is a fluid and over-used term so is confusing. First off, you can be a "left" political leaning person and...