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Excellent distillation of the point I think Ligotti is making! Thank you for sharing. As possibly an illustration of your summary here, I can think of...

Just curious, is there other nations and leaders you also don’t approve of?

The cultures and what they want are too far apart. How would the governance even work? Also those kind of confederations need to be mutually beneficia...

So was the Netherlands, technically, but they projected real power across the globe. Israel is just trying to keep itself existing, not even an imperi...

Yes, I get that from your vantage point. Israel doesn't want to even be put in that position in the first place, and that is understandable from their...

Just curious. What if Israel completely withdrew to 67 borders said that Palestinians have a state now (whatever that entails), and the Palestinians i...

Yeah, that is not what I or Ligotti was claiming in the sense of "meaninglessness". So that is a moot argument. Your response (amongst other quotes) i...

Dang, another setback for mass transit.

How so? You said there is no intrinsic value. That is missing the point, that it is only beings that perceive value, and human beings that are self-aw...

I think this seems reasonable in a very surface-y kind of way.. Like someone something would say to a person caught up in their own solipsistic view o...

I'd like to say this is only partially analogous, but as all analogies, they can't fit completely. It is analogous in a way, as they are culturally-le...

How?

A momentously unnecessary post then.

No, he's not saying consciousness is artificial. Rather, he is saying we have various defense mechanisms to disallow a certain level of angst and iner...

Should we ditch Stoicism or the descriptor of "Stoic" or Epicureanism and the descriptor of "Epicurean" for similar reasons?

@"Tom Storm" So what I mean by the fact that Philosophical Pessimism is debatable not just something someone has based on the whims of temperament is ...

But why is political ideology something to be debated, but Philosophical Pessimism is something you just choose, like a favorite band or some such? Wh...

Is it about emotional shadings or things like suffering, and what is to be our response to it? As I see it, Philosophical Pessimism is less to do abou...

Cool, so you offer nothing but repeat. Perhaps eternal recurrence.

Again, why can Philosophical Pessimism be dismissed as temperament based, but any other axiological debates like ethics and politics are fair game?

To add, I don’t agree with ideas around Ubermesch, eternal recurrence, will to power, or master and slave morality. You can use those as jumping point...

I don’t believe it until you tell me how misinformed I am. Also you took one post which was extremely cursory but I’ll let you proceed with that sampl...

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/876676 Same answer.

True enough I think aesthetic fit is huge, sometimes upbringing, social groups or reaction against those social influences. However, my point was rath...

Just curious, political and moral arguments for various sides are constantly defended and presented- why do you suppose there are still arguments made...

You build a mighty straw man here. Since when did misspeaking or misspelling a word or sentence make someone inept or deceitful? Rather, if you are in...

Sounds similar to Schopenhauer actually.. and many philosophers.

Right, but I guess I am perplexed because no one (Ligotti or I at least) is saying that you can't make a "the worst" anticipation of a negative outcom...

Look, I know he is a philosophical hero of yours, so me maligning might hit a nerve with you. I welcome critique.. Hell, recruit someone else to criti...

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You can claim I misunderstand him all you want, but you don't break down WHY.. only very generally allude to past posts and such which aren't helpful ...

Perhaps @"BC" has more to say on the Fairness Doctrine and its applications?

How do you know they are irrefutable? But with your bigger point about balance, every show should have all sides represented when presenting a case. T...

Good word here... That sounds very Ligotti-esque itself, which is a good thing :smile:. I don't have much to add because I wholeheartedly agree here. ...

Good analysis! I think this whole book (being a "non-fiction" work of "horror) is grappling with EXACTLY this fear of pessimism you are bringing up.. ...

I haven't figured out if Trump is fully "self-serving" in foreign policy or "Russia-serving". If it is Russia-serving, indeed he may have to tone down...

Why do you assume the US cares what the Security Council says? Or why do you think it is by default supposed to? The fact is that the US has interests...

Perhaps I misunderstand something, but Nietzsche seems at odds with himself. He seems to believe in the "overcoming" of oneself, and the embracing of ...

I can see that. Those seem like quite irrelevant arguments for Pessimism. Pessimism to me, is always about the "internal".. the "human condition" comp...

Oh, I would just say to re-read what Ligotti says at exactly this kind of critique.. and I'll add this addition. So re-read and then add this part too...

Yeah, that's not Ligotti though.

I don't think that is the end of his argument though. His ideas are circular and spiral-like. Read the passage above to understand what I am saying. H...

Why that itself is a value judgement. Humans are indeed strewn with value judgements- I would argue that is how we even go about our normal daily rout...

So you bring up a good point, but by way of misinterpreting Pessimism. I have made this point often, Pessimism "proper" IS indeed a philosophical stan...

How do you know his views aren't more aligned with Russia's? There may not be outright "collusion", but it damn sure looks like it on paper. So this i...

@"Wayfarer" might be interested.

Perhaps @"Count Timothy von Icarus" would like to join the discussion.. There's always an open invitation to @"BC" and

@"Tom Storm" @"Ciceronianus" @"Echarmion" What do you think of Ligotti's analysis of the pessimist? I actually think this is more a critique of the op...

I'm not sure where you got that.. Though, I did just mention But no, I don't actually think the Middle East should implode.. If you mean my reference ...

A ton of cargo goes through the Red Sea and Gulf, so it is strategic, as with everything in that region. Also, it's good to back up allies, period. Th...