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It’s not just that making a living is hard. It’s that we are forced to deal at all in the first place. There is no way around with dealing with our ow...

Yes, second that. Thank you . :up:

I'm not sure how this would be employed. The main theme of philosophical pessimism is that structural suffering does not go away. That might be a defi...

Yeah, sometimes in disagreement with Benatar. I think he has some good points regarding pessimism, but others I think he relies too heavily on hedonis...

@"Baden" @"darthbarracuda" (to keep everyone looped in) Interesting post.. Here's some thoughts. Although I see the points made about reducing humans ...

@"darthbarracuda" was onto something. We are not like the rest of the universe. You can conflate humans as just another part of the whole (i.e. the na...

Ha, no phil pess? No life to complain about? :gasp: . But there would be no one to be deprived of these things either. Experiences are not something t...

@"Baden" @"darth"@"apokrisis" I see this "dealing with" problem one that cannot be easily dismissed. Why do we want new people to experience the "deal...

@"darthbarracuda" @"apokrisis" So you bring up the idea that you think a positive attitude of the individual can justify birth for that person. The ne...

As Darth explained: There are an inventory of goods but they are not as purely (that is to say "positively" good) as it would first appear. They are f...

I did not really say that, I was trying to converse with Caldwell using his language.. and then qualified it that this needs more nuance and explanati...

@"apokrisis"@"darthbarracuda" I edited my post above.

What @"darthbarracuda" said. But to add..there is no "off" button. Sleep is the closest we get. Entailed in being is the constant dealing with of our ...

That's it.

Ugh, is it in fact true, that I actually agree with apokrisis? Yes this sounds right in the context of this topic. I agree with you here up until you ...

@"darthbarracuda"@"Baden" I'd like to explore the idea of entailment darth has brought up. Systemic suffering in many ways is about entailment- what i...

Excellent post. Great examples that elucidated the main point here: I will have to gather my thoughts, but I will try to add to this and respond to @"...

Ok, so we are essentially accusing each other of the opposite thing- you think I am making philosophy too broad and overlooking its constraints, and I...

I'd actually like to thank you for taking the time to construct this post. I get it- the creativity before any formal proof is written. But I am tryin...

Hey great post.. One of the best arguments on this forum for the principle of charity and collaboration in general. That should be in a guideline or s...

Well, maybe I am then if you say so..It's your thread, and I am just trying to add what I thought was something overlooked. Where you see math as not ...

But the model that models the lever's action through proof each time is not. Two models are used.. eventually in math, one might have a consensus as t...

You said: The choice as not arbitrary.. giving up 2 essentially forced their hand on this if they were to move forward with answering questions of non...

Not really. You discussed things like the difference between category and set theory, but in mathematics, it is possible that there will be a consensu...

I guess I am caught up in moving from one concept within the field over another. How one moves from rationals only to irrational, from Newtonian to no...

Except what is demonstrable in the philosophy world cannot be considered valid simply by proof as in the math world, which has the luxury of consensus...

Sure, it can be a summary, but then this has to be explained. As I've said, most people will just counter this with "I have good experiences, thus sch...

I think I already sort of answered this type of thinking (i.e. my burden is bigger than your burden, etc.) here: Comparison: we judge our lives by com...

I just don't assume existing is "good" because I exist. That can be considered unreflective, fearful (of looking too much into the matter), and reacti...

So I am guessing you are presenting this as an argument. If that's what this is, then it isn't much different than people using good experiences to ju...

I think that analogy encapsulates what I'm trying to say better than anything else, ha.

I am just going to be refuted like the Dr. Johnson who misunderstood Berkely's claim of subjective idealism by kicking a stone and saying "I refute hi...

In math, the assumptions of certain ontologies (the constraints) are more likely to be agreed upon. But it is not only that, it is the fact that the s...

Then you didn't see when I said: The point isn't that philosophy cannot be consistent and rigorous within its own framework, but rather that there are...

I also said: I can see now, that fdrake was getting at a similar notion I am in terms of difference of philosophy and math. So I was just getting to y...

All that needs to occur is that a higher amount of constraints that needs to take place math than in philosophy. I'll even confine it to just an area ...

Hey Pseudoynm, thanks for bringing up that earlier reference to fdrake where he said this: I can see now, that fdrake was getting at a similar notion ...

Haha, I hope to continue this at another point. Thank you for hearing this through.

Ok, but I think you would say it better than me probably. But my sentiment I'm trying to convey here is that the models and demonstrations you speak o...

Good answer. But let me take a different approach. Why would a poem or a piece of music or even a mathematical proof that models a different problem n...

But why are Cauchy cuts and Dedekind Cuts both considered valid moves?

Yes, I'm leaving it open-ended for reason.. Socratic method and all..

How do you know if category or set theory is the best approach? How do we know if or how the math can capture the freak waves?

I'm going to be more charitable. You are both right and wrong :p. You are right; there are different ways to solve problems based on what they are try...

But again, this "catching-on" in mathematics, eventually moves to consensus. Thus, even debates over axioms about infinities, etc. will eventually get...

To this I'll admit, I should have used another word. Perhaps "thought-explorations" or "generalized theoretical-investigations". A particular line of ...

So from the B&C article itself it says: Again, I don't discount that there is some sort of choice as to which criteria fits the picture better, but ra...

Oh how the imagination does ponder.. I am trying with apokrisis, so maybe it will work with the neighbor.

Stimulating as in we experience stimuli, that's the right frame. We are literally forced to experience stimuli to survive, maintain, restlessly move a...

Haha, I love the imagery :). Eating meat is a perennial philosophical issue that is acceptable but questioning existence itself is off the table. It's...