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The way to test that is to say things I normally agree with and see if I disagree with them just to disagree with them. :wink:

Articulate response. :up:

But relativism doesn't imply subjectivism. The objective world is relative. It's not subjective.

Did I say that? (I seriously don't recall saying that, but maybe I did.)

How would that work?

If you think that I'm not being forthright re whether I know what you're claiming (for example, re thinking I stated an argument earlier), then you pr...

Obviously I don't think that's a problem. What I wrote is why I don't think it's a problem.

Thinking that there are things one should or shouldn't care about, independent of whether one does care about them, is the opposite of subjectivism. I...

With S it's frustrating because he doesn't want to straightforwardly articulate stuff. He often resorts to saying that you should simply know what he ...

It's not a fact that it matters or should matter. It's not a fact that it doesn't matter or shouldn't matter. We're talking about ways that people fee...

Sure, it's possible to be wrong about them, although basically we have to argue counterfactuals and counterfactual truth values are close to impossibl...

No. What do you see as the problem that different things matter to different people? Apparently you're thinking that the same things should matter to ...

Do you mean for ethics? Or in general? For ethics, I see it as a principle-based approach (unless you're talking about relatively arbitrary, regularly...

Well, consistent. I've had the same view literally for decades. You'd need a pretty good argument that I've not heard hundreds of times before for me ...

How much anything should matter to anyone is a matter of individual opinion. There is no correct answer. It's no different than saying, "You don't lik...

Do I see any problem with something mattering to other people but not to me? No. Do other people have a problem with things that matter to me but not ...

Well, things mattering are to an individual, and it's because the individual cares about it/is concerned with it/feels it should be taken into conside...

Okay, so there's one "because" in that post: "because they don't matter to you." Your "they" stands for "consequences which do matter." So you're sayi...

Re the prisoner treatment example, my view was influenced by experiencing the way we treat prisoners, the sorts of sentences we give, and intuiting wh...

I suppose not. I sure can't figure out what you're saying the "because" would be. Can't you just straightforwardly tell me rather than having to play ...

I'd not have any laws based on psychological effects period. Just out of curiosity, how would you enforce any laws against psychological abuse? How wo...

So you'd say that the argument is "My policy would be such and such because I'd prefer this to be implemented"?

With respect to my "criminal threatening" policy? I suppose the policy was x, but what was y?

Suggestions that I feel are sensible, sure. Whether you'll agree, I have no idea. We could tackle one thing at a time. Which one do you want to start ...

We have to get a lot more persnickety than that about what we're referring to. First, re propositions as the meaning of statements like that, are we s...

Okay, so necessarily if you want a preference to be implemented, that's an argument for that preference in your view? (So an argument doesn't have to ...

So could you state how you consider me stating what my policy would be on what I'd call "criminal threatening" to be an argument?

Can you answer if you're calling any statement anyone makes "an argument"? Is the example about liking Aaron Copland an argument in your view?

First, if I were king, the economy would not be capitalist. There wouldn't be private companies. We wouldn't have an economy based on money in any tra...

From the start of this particular nonsense, I said, "His comment was in the context of someone stating an argument. I didn't state any arguments, a fo...

I'm considering the specific situation at hand. I don't think we're born thinking much at all. We're certainly not thinking about speech etc. per se. ...

Hence why I'm asking. If it's that you consider any content whatsoever to be an argument, then okay, that makes sense. Again, if someone says "I like ...

I know the content you're referring to. What I don't know is what you're considering to be an argument, since I didn't state an argument. Is it that y...

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Part of the problem might be that I really do not do "(foundational) principle-based ethics." I think that approach is a bad idea. But maybe you're as...

How would someone "justify their suggestion" that they weren't forwarding an argument and that they don't know what one is talking about re the claim ...

If you're simply not going to believe me and insist that I know what you're talking about, there's not much I can do.

If you're reading this as being anything other than me explaining why I don't use something as broad as "I care about the welfare of others" as an eth...

It's as if you can't comprehend that I'm saying that at least on my view, I didn't forward any sort of argument. Yet, despite that fact, you think it'...

Maybe I'd agree with you if you could tell me what the argument was.

Sure. That much I agree with. (And of course, that part isn't an ethical claim.) Just informally, from living and observing people over the course of ...

The problem is that I didn't state an argument. I simply stated what my policy would be. What my policy would be isn't an argument for the policy. I c...

It's not based on anything like idea of what would "lead to a better society," That's based on the fact that anyone could find anything conceivable no...

I actually forgot that the first post in the thread even mentioned racism. It seemed weird in the context of where the discussion is now to bring up r...

I wouldn't say something like "I have a concern for the welfare of those around me" without qualification. Because that's way too vague. It's like ver...

It's weird that we get someone to come to the board, post an argument like this, post back and forth about it for a bit, then leave the board for good...

There are plenty of people who think both that (a) objective morality exists, and (b) God does not exist. In fact, some people became quite famous bas...

Right. That's the part I disagreed with.

I don't think that whether they exist is subjective, and the concept of them isn't ethical (though most thinking about the implications of them and al...

Ah. Wouldn't you normally just assume that "my valuings" is "my (moral) valuings," but where "moral" isn't repeated because that should be clear from ...