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That is the "common sense" definition of it--which is why the dictionary reports the same.

No, I'm talking about the sounds, because we were talking about experiencing it. Why would I be talking about concepts per se?

The problem is that if you say that meaning is public, then what, exactly, would you be saying it is ontologically?

Something seeming some way to you isn't a mind-independent assessment is it?

Would you say that there could be a difference between accepting someone else proposing something (y, say) as a justification (for x, say) and yoursel...

That pretty much all sounds very different from how I think, what I prefer, how I think people should behave, etc.

It's not a matter of "valid" or not, whatever that would amount to in that context. It's just that "atheism" doesn't in any way denote how one arrived...

Republicans who don't like Trump, you mean?

There, "music" refers to a particular as in a particular song, like "Kashmir" (and a particular instantiation of "Kashmir" at that.)

<shrug> I have no idea what a distinction being "perfect" would amount to. "Thought of the isolated ego"? You might as well be typing to me in Swahili...

Meaning and coherence are subjective.

What I'm asking for is the mentally-independent assessment that one state versus another counts as advancement.

You completely bypassed "because part of the issue we need to deal with is whether you can understand that to the people in question, they may be sayi...

Good questions/comments.

Depends on the context, of course. Above, you seemed to be suggesting a context that was close to claiming a material thing. We should simply quote Be...

Thanks for the response. I wouldn't personally call "sexual confusion" a problem re human dignity or call it anarchy, but I'm extremely libertarian/li...

You're misunderstanding me. I'm not asking for you to explain anything. I'm asking for some quotations from Berkeley--some textual evidence (I had spe...

What in Berkeley supports that he considers it a concrete existent? (Well, and where "concrete" doesn't amount to "clear and distinct" or something li...

That still makes it an idea though. So there's no non-idea tree (per Berkeley).

Yes. We went through that. So, given that you can't grasp the differences in what each side is saying in that regard, we need to look at what your bel...

I don't think that physicalism is an instrumental theory but rather what's really the case ontologically. Instrumentally, it's not very practical for ...

What I'm focused on is you understanding the difference of what idealists and materialists are saying. A tangent about communication, which is what th...

That would be a whole big tangent about how communication works that wouldn't help you figure out what the difference is between what idealists and ma...

Whether you will participate in getting somewhere is up to you, but I wasn't asking your opinion about what was required. I don't consider you qualifi...

So, we don't at all agree on this, and we don't at all agree about logic, either, including that I think that logic is subjective, and obviously, even...

The only way we're going to get anywhere is by doing this "game." I'm not going to keep addressing the same things over and over. It's only going to w...

Are you asking if something is coherent to someone else? Or to yourself?

Coherence is always to someone, isn't it?

Right now I'm clarifying what you're even asking. You're asking something about your own understanding, right?

So what you're really asking for is not what they're saying that's different, and not whether they think about it differently, or whether they think t...

You wrote, "Yet you haven't been able to explain the difference in what they are saying" Meaning is subjective and can't be shared. Do you want differ...

"X is flooble." "X is not flooble." Are those saying something different?

Which is irrelevant. All that's relevant is if they're saying something different.

If at the moment you're saying that I'm not explaining any differences because I'm committing the fallacy of question-begging, then we need to sort th...

All I care about at the moment is addressing "Yet you haven't been able to explain the difference in what they are saying" because you keep saying tha...

We can talk about that after we finish the other thing first. Re "begging the question" that's only pertinent to arguments per se, no?

Re "begging the question" that's only pertinent to arguments per se, no?

Is that a difference or not?

No, I'm not going to be distracted. You said, "Yet you haven't been able to explain the difference in what they are saying." I said, "One difference i...

Just curious what sorts of things you see as examples of the above?

All I agree with is that we can stipulate that. It's like saying, "You must write the word 'there' with a 'z' in the middle instead of an 'e,' like th...

I'd agree that stipulatively, material ordered collections can have a "first member." I don't know what such a stipulation is supposed to have to do w...

There's no way that's going to happen even if he gets charged with perjury today. They could easily tie that up with all sorts of legal stalls--plus i...

I wasn't asking what you thought, so that I might simply adopt your view. In my ontology/metaphysics, time is simply change/motion. Could someone conv...

It doesn't seem to me like you're talking about empathy in any of this, but just sympathy (and indeed you change to using the term "sympathy" later in...

I'm not at all fond of talk that has more than one universe. I wouldn't say that a big crunch is the end of one universe and a big bang the start of a...

Either there was a first motion or the universe extends infinitely back in time. There can't be any time at all prior to a first motion. Time is motio...

Irrelevant. Saying that not every existent has mass is different than saying that they do, isn't it?

Thanks for the info, although that kinda leaves me with more questions than answers. :razz: "Pro defending borders" is not something I'm in favor of, ...

So maybe there's some hope for that, then.