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I'd say that the meaning they're performing re fire and pain includes a reference to pain. But I don't think of reference as necessarily linguistic in...

What's wrong with anything morally is that someone disapproves of it as interpersonal behavior. Do you understand this?

I already discussed this part (hence why I dislike doing longer posts and like to focus on one thing at a time until it's settled): You're reading thi...

It's just a matter of what we're able to enact or not. Factors include how much power each of us has, how common the views are, what our persuasive ab...

I just pointed out to you that for one, this has packed into it the claim that "You ought to achieve what you want."

Wait--how would they have a brand bias that they're not aware of? You mean that people aren't aware that they're preferring one brand to another (when...

It's annoying that people don't understand that everyone's ground is simply their feelings about interpersonal behavior.

What? That's a value judgment. Not an "is."

How would that work where we avoid positing unconscious mental content?

I didn't say that I don't consider any hurting of other people wrong. In fact, I explicitly said otherwise. Again, "hurt/harm" etc. are too broad/vagu...

Hurting people is not categorically, morally wrong, no. Only certain actions that fall under that heading are things that I consider morally wrong.

So why ought you pursue x if you want y, just in case x is a prerequisite for y?

That something is hurting people. (The question seems predicated on not knowing how English conventionally works.) Apparently you want some sort of ot...

You seriously just wrote that. lol. It's not true or false that you ought to achieve what you want. It can be the case that x is a precondition/prereq...

It's hurting people, for one. That's something, isn't it?

What fact makes it true that you ought to achieve what you want?

Not when it comes to hurting people's feelings, because I don't think that's a moral issue. When it comes to things that I believe are moral issues, s...

I really wish we could keep things shorter, because I'm sure a bunch of worthwhile stuff is being bypassed. At any rate, re the first point you're bri...

If you were to literally blindfold the person, say, and you were to keep giving them the same exact thing over and over, and their responses were to b...

(What does that have to do with neural imaging?) At any rate: (1) "I like/don't like F" isn't about whether they're identifying some particular x as F...

Every time you respond you bring up more topics, but I dislike doing multiple topics per post. I like focusing on one thing at a time and ideally "set...

Is this something you wrote in 1995?

No. That's not the sort of thing you can be wrong about. Whether you like olives is a mental state that you're in at present. (And in my view there is...

This might not apply to me, as I don't characterize PCism or SJWism as "stopping problems from being solved," but I simply take issue with people want...

Facts are simply "ways that things are" --their material make-up and their relations, including dynamic relations (and the relations obviously include...

Yes. :grin: Why rag on physical stuff like that?

You could just say that you'd not call it "deciphering," but deciphering a text can simply be a matter of assigning meaning to it--not discovering mea...

This is supposedly an ontology thread, though. Are "manners of speaking" really good enough for ontology? And if so, wouldn't ontology simply turn int...

Why would it be important if we're talking about "true" giving or "true" love? (Talk in that vein always reminds me of talk a la "true metal" (among h...

There's a good reason why a lot of philosophy papers, at least in analytic philosophy, make explicit how the author is defining terms that are importa...

For everyone, including you, for any moral stance they have, it's either foundational or not in this sense: If a moral stance a la "one should/shouldn...

Meaning doesn't require a subject due to a definition. The realization that it requires a subject is the result of an ontological investigation/analys...

What would be the reason for that? Degree of "physical" harm in my view, yes.

Yes, I wouldn't consider that immoral. For one, they could choose to leave the situation before it gets to that point. Re punching someone, that's not...

The point is simply that you're not actually using a "it's immoral just in case someone's feelings are hurt" criterion then. You're also not using a s...

Right, but someone could be emotionally hurt by that. So, is it immoral? If not, then we'd need to qualify things better.

But I explained this already. Someone can be hurt, especially emotionally, by any arbitrary thing.

Right. "Hurt" is too vague. As if "suffering," "harm," etc, It depends on what we're talking about. And this is the case a fortiori because someone ca...

The issue there was just that he was characterizing someone with hurt feelings as a victim. I was saying that I don't consider hurt feelings to qualif...

Not agreeing with you, or not agreeing with some particular conventional view, doesn't amount to not understanding something.

What criteria would you put on what counts as morally problematic emotional harm? Would a person experiencing emotional harm in response to any arbitr...

Re (1), it's not sufficient to be morally wrong (and certainly not sufficient to suggest social action, censure, laws, etc.). Re (2), learn how to par...

To record blue, sure. x having property F is a different thing than D recording that x has property F. We're really having a communication problem if ...

I like that even Kant himself thought that he was writing incoherent stuff.

So we experience the phenomenon and then afterwards we experience the representation?

I don't think that one is a victim just because their feelings are hurt. First, it's important to realize that no matter what you're like, no matter w...

Yeah this is basically the same conversation as the other thread now. ;-) At any rate, meaning, on my view, is the associative act that we're performi...

You could program a machine to do that, sure. The problem is that it's something different than meaning. And the machine isn't even making an associat...

Okay, that makes sense at least with respect to why you've been pursuing the angles you've been pursuing, but the problem is that I don't agree with a...

I was just being a smartass due to you asking "what is the greatest strength of the human mind," whereupon you listed a handful of things and then sai...