ChatteringMonkey

Ok, I think I understand how you view it now. An 'object' is not something that is set in metaphysical stone. A table is an object, but you can just a...

It is the same, because they don't exist at all points at the same time.

Yes and this is the core of our disagreement since the beginning, I just don't see why you need something like "passage of time" to say that something...

No, on that point I'm only going to repeat myself.

I think that's because the criticism is of a different order, not merely definitional. A universal now or present has been shown to be a problematic i...

No it wouldn't, it's the opposite it seems to me. In fact that's actually what knowledge is I think, abstracting away from the world of particulars, t...

Okay, thank you for the explanation. I agree with it insofar those higher level questions relate to how we understand things. We wouldn't be able to u...

That's not really an answer, I don't think, because it just shifts the question. Why do you lack information, if you know everything about the parts a...

I agree that for obvious practical reasons this kind of reductionism is not feasable, but why do you think that it would be impossible in principle? Y...

I don't think anybody claims that these theories of time are complete physical theories. The way I see it that they are merely theories about time tha...

I'm done with the thread, I said what I have to say.

It's just a word Luke, I'm using them in a certain context to try to get some meaning across... the meaning being in that case that it doesn't follow ...

I'm not, I said time doesn't flow in any particular direction, which is a bit of a tautology, sure... I was just trying to be extra clear by adding 'n...

Flow is a word we use to describe what happens to water in rivers, i.e. for things moving in one direction. In eternalism there is no present moment, ...

I'll try the explain. This is the first description I've found of B-theory on wiki and I think it better than the others because it uses 'flow' of tim...

So I've been told, over and over again, but I don't see why there is something fundamentally different about something existing at time t1, t2, etc .....

Okay, maybe that is how some view the block-universe, I can't speak to how they view it of course. But still, I think using words like 'unchanging' or...

Yes, maybe that is a valuable endeavor in itself... but don't you think the nuance will be lost on most, short attentions spans and all that? Or is th...

This is what I'm objecting to. There is nothing static about a four-dimensional object, it's dynamics by virtue of it existing in a 'four'-dimensional...

Yes I know you get it, more than most here probably, and that you are not arguing that point... but what form political action will take, will likely ...

For some that is clearly the case, I won't deny that... but for some (and I would count myself in that categorie lol) it's not so much that we have an...

You know upon further consideration, I think there maybe is still something that needs to be explained, and that it 'why do we experience this particu...

Maybe I didn't really answer this in particular. So we only experience one slice or one moment of time, at a time. But we also have a memory, we remem...

This is how (some) science works, that's not exactly backwards in the sense that you start from some observation and consistently derived theory from ...

That's because I don't think it really requires much additional explanation once you accept the basic premisses of eternalism, namely that all moments...

Yes, I certainly don't disagree with the issues being put forward here, I'm just not sure I would call it racism as such. Well maybe it is... but in t...

Yes I actually agree they are intertwined... in Europe things are arguably somewhat similar with muslims, although to a lesser degree no doubt. But ma...

Maybe it is a key element, I don't really know, I'm not an American, so I can't really say for sure. But what i do know is that there is a temptation ...

Or we could just call it poverty, and probably have a more accurate description of the problem, so we know how to address it better.

Thanks, my mistake was indeed in thinking 'classical' worlds were created. This was really helpful, much appreciated.

Alright, I'm not sure i'm getting it entirely yet. Does this mean that when something branches it doesn't create an 'entire world'? Say when the cat b...

So the branches are allready there before they 'branch'? Makes sense... for conservation of energy and the like.

So then what does the cat in superposition experience, is still the question.

If a normal living cat is in superposition why doesn't it smell poison then? Doesn't superposition entail that it's neither exclusively living nor dea...

Maybe hypothetical mini-electron sized cats do?

Or would it, because it has eyes instantly collapse/split because it gets entangled with itself and as such never see all positions at once?

But it's a little person right, so it has eyes :-), what does it experience before the wavefunction collapses/splits, all possible positions at once.....

They apply to a presentist view only, and you are using them to arrive at a conclusion about motion in eternalist view. I'm not even sure 'passage of ...

Yes if motion is defined in presentist terms of passage of time, then yes that conclusion follows logically. Logic only speaks to the validity of an a...

I didn't say redefined, but replaced. There is an notion of time (nevermind the passage of time) in eternalism, right? So what i'm saying is that you ...

It's problematic insofar you try to derive all sorts of things from it, like say that there is no motion. If you only say 'there is no passage of time...

It's not meaningfull because it assumes there is a present moment. If there is no present moment what could passage of time possible mean? But this is...

Well this was literally the first sentence of your OP: But yeah, I don't really care about metaphysical speculation. I'm only interested in eternalism...

Yes i'm talking about eternalism, as per titel of the thread... and what we where talking about in most of the thread. Why are you switching to talkin...

That's not its defining aspect, it's the lack of preferred moment, or a question of what exists. Time passing as you seem to use it doesn't make sense...

The fact that I don't subscribe to it, is evidence that I don't understand it? And what do you think entertaining another perspective is? Here's a quo...

Baden, probably true... it just seemed like the warning was out of place in a thread where everything seemed to be allowed. Now, I don't know what you...

It isn't about Chester, it's about the modding. He was baited. The warning for excessive use of labels was ridiculously out of place considering all t...

Like I said I don't subscribe to any metaphysical theory of time. Strictly speaking the only thing I observe is things changing/moving. All the rest i...

I don't see how that follows, one moves via all the intervals between t1 and t2. I don't think you have shown that. You seem to think that there is so...