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If the was really no other option but the button then technically it would be a good action as it benefits more people. But in a real situation, there...
November 16, 2018 at 15:40
Right, wrong are defined here: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/4395/defining-good-and-evil/p1
November 15, 2018 at 07:04
Right is pleasure>pain. Wrong is pleasure<pain. We all feel pleasure and pain in similar ways. Thus any decision is optimised using the following rule...
November 14, 2018 at 18:26
What could be more depressing than Oblivion? And then spreading this depressing message the way people like Dawkins and the cosmologists do creates de...
November 14, 2018 at 18:17
Normal, well-adjusted humans are different in small ways but similar on all the important issues. So it's possible to define right and wrong in mathem...
November 14, 2018 at 18:01
You are quite brilliant. I speak from personal experience; I was one.
November 14, 2018 at 17:54
Doing the right thing often hurts in the short term (exercise, study, helping people) and pays off in the long term. Willpower is needed to get over t...
November 14, 2018 at 17:39
I think over-sensitivity to pain is likely indicative of low willpower (excepting the Hyperalgesia condition). Abstinence might be another way to test...
November 14, 2018 at 15:28
Willpower can be measured by pain tolerance. A traditional way is walking on hot coal. Exercise can be used as well. Are you saying stress is not a ki...
November 14, 2018 at 13:56
Sometimes you are forced into doing the wrong thing. But it's still the wrong thing. Anything that is not optimal is technically wrong. War is about a...
November 14, 2018 at 13:50
I think you get individuals with high IQ and low willpower. For example an intelligent person who overeats and is overweight. Then you also get people...
November 14, 2018 at 13:33
I would measure correctness as the tendency to use willpower in order to exchange short term pain for long term pleasure. Being rude and unhelpful may...
November 14, 2018 at 13:27
I think IQ and willpower are distinct enough. Willpower is required to make the 'correct' decisions. IQ is required to understand complex situations.
November 14, 2018 at 13:11
War is not the optimal solution to any problem, so it is always wrong. These are both extreme viewpoints; extremism is generally wrong. Most things th...
November 14, 2018 at 13:07
Can you give a specific example? It's clearly wrong to save 1 person rather than 3. We are dominant because of our ability to work as a team; for whic...
November 14, 2018 at 12:57
These are the bodies signals of right and wrong. Someone would have to be seriously maladjusted if they did not seek to maximise pleasure and minimise...
November 14, 2018 at 12:51
It was the way you dismissed my OP because it was different from the research you'd read. As I pointed out, its a new idea and its incorrect to dismis...
November 14, 2018 at 12:48
War is wrong. There are better ways to change a government than war. Can you give an example? Yes, I call that right squared.
November 14, 2018 at 12:44
Does the group behave in an optimal manner that maximises pleasure and minimises pain for the individuals. If the group sticks to what is right (pleas...
November 14, 2018 at 12:39
Correctness is more about willpower than IQ. The right thing is often painful in the short term. Someone with low willpower but high IQ will make mist...
November 14, 2018 at 12:34
If the group is a right acting group, someone would be quite wrong to reject popularity within the group. If the group is wrong acting, then seeking p...
November 14, 2018 at 12:25
Effective Intelligence = IQ * Correctness
November 14, 2018 at 12:20
They are wrong - they will make themselves unpopular in the group which is detrimental to that individual in the long term.
November 14, 2018 at 12:19
If a person needs help its right to offer help. If a person does not need help, its wrong to offer help. No its about maths. NET PLEASURE = PLEASURE -...
November 14, 2018 at 12:13
If S wants to take 3 hours rather than 1 (IE because S enjoys it) then offering help is wrong. But I was referring to the situation where offering hel...
November 14, 2018 at 12:07
If I have a task to complete, rejecting help will result in it taking longer to complete which is clearly sub-optimal.
November 14, 2018 at 11:58
Rejecting help for example is sub-optimal therefore wrong. If you accept help, you get more pleasure than pain so it is the right thing to do. Offerin...
November 14, 2018 at 11:45
Such a person is wrong, so should be corrected. Trying to help them understand the difference between right and wrong would be the correct approach. O...
November 14, 2018 at 11:39
This is an original idea; it is not covered by existing research. It's incorrect of you to try to suppress new ideas. Your effective intelligence is o...
November 14, 2018 at 11:23
- The Weak Anthropic explains the universe must be compatible with life for us to be here. It does not explain why the universe is compatible with lif...
November 14, 2018 at 11:10
Doing the right thing is painful in the short term and takes willpower. Thats the main reason people get it wrong; lack of willpower. I think humans w...
November 14, 2018 at 11:04
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe Right and Wrong are mathematical. The Nazis did what was pleasurable for them in the short term, but...
November 14, 2018 at 10:58
But Evil is merely getting it wrong; IE making sub-optimal decisions. Humans are natural optimisers so we tend to get it right (=good) rather than wro...
November 14, 2018 at 10:33
If everyone was doing the right thing, the world would be a happy place.
November 14, 2018 at 10:25
Science points to a creator of the universe (of some form). I do find it reassuring to know the universe was designed rather than just a random occurr...
November 14, 2018 at 10:18
That would mean people are evil=wrong. We defined wrong as what's pleasurable in the short term and painful in the long term. That would make people s...
November 14, 2018 at 10:10
Theists are not perfect I agree. But mostly they are well-meaning but misguided. They are trying to help people. Atheists are also misguided but not a...
November 14, 2018 at 09:56
I'm agnostic leaning towards Deism. Evil = Wrong = What is pleasurable in the short term (and painful in the long term). People are fundamentally not ...
November 14, 2018 at 09:38
Please read the first post.
November 14, 2018 at 09:07
Both Atheists and Theists try to spread their beliefs. Both beliefs are wrong but Atheism makes people unhappy and some Atheists use this to inflict p...
November 14, 2018 at 08:58
Well maybe we need the term 'effective intelligence': IQ * Moral Correctness = Effective Intelligence So for example: Richard Dawkins: 180 IQ * 25% = ...
November 14, 2018 at 08:55
No it's a mathematical relationship: Right is pleasure > pain Wrong is pain > pleasure Long term > short term so its what right/wrong in the long term...
November 14, 2018 at 08:47
I think what I'm getting at is that moral intelligence is different from IQ. Murder is wrong for example but intelligent people still do it (to their ...
November 14, 2018 at 08:44
I'm not religious myself but it seems to me that Atheists are mentally impaired; there is no firm evidence either way for/against God but there is a s...
November 14, 2018 at 08:38
Meat is murder. Animal fat is solid at body temperature so it clogs up your arteries whereas vegetable fat is liquid at body temperature. It takes 5 t...
November 14, 2018 at 07:49
But we'd miss your opinions if you were dead. It would be a loss to society. At this point I must take some sleep...
November 14, 2018 at 00:49
Evil people are evil because of their upbringing. They are evil, therefore they are wrong, therefore they are suboptimal and therefore they need their...
November 14, 2018 at 00:46
Would you like to be murdered for food? It's wrong to murder for food. Im a vegetarian. Hell for meat eaters is being eaten by the animals they consum...
November 14, 2018 at 00:29
Starvation is bad whatever way. Adding murder into the mix makes it worse.
November 14, 2018 at 00:21
I think you would refrain from killing anyone because they might come up with some ideas / be of some use / on general principles - once the morality ...
November 14, 2018 at 00:15