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And in what way is that which actually is different from that which is? And what about that which really is? I can't believe you walked right in to th...

I know. I extended your metaphor. Metaphor's invite that.

Your examples prove my point. There is very little in the major fields of philosophy that are amenable in any significant way to resolution by empiric...

I d I try and avoid the internal/external baggage that comes with subjective/objective. It is like taking aspirin for my Cartesian hangover. It is bet...

I do not know who it is but I know it is not me. If there is a person in a position to make a final determination of true/false, calling the decision ...

if I were a mechanic, I suspect the contents of my toolbox would be significantly different than the contents of a carpenter's tool box. And though I ...

I enjoyed reading this thread.

Now that you mention it, maybe I should. . . . Gotta run!

I agree. But it is not just that "evidence" may be terminologically better than "proof", it is also the "demand"ing nature of the response. The OP was...

it seems to me that your subject/object distinction could just as well be handled by saying some people are simply not in a position to make the true/...

I use the word entity rather than object. Stick around a while and you will see why. An assertion is true if the entity (object) toward which the asse...

very few fall into the camp of amenable to empirical "proof." And none of mine do. I leave to science the empirically provable. That is their thing an...

my choosing the word "demand" was no accident.

it is nonsensical to expect me to tell you what I am saying when you are continually telling me what I am saying.

of course. But as I stated in the OP, when a particular proposition reaches the point that it can likely be resolved by empirical evidence, then they ...

Almost as if there is no such thing as the scientific method or controls or stuff like that. I will let my boss know and we can all go home. Of course...

yes. And it is the example that motivated the OP. There was a discussion this morning regarding what happens after we die. I do not believe I particip...

I would say because the criteria of validity are different.

Has it occurred to you that I chose the word "demand" (as opposed to request) for a reason? I am rarely bothered by a reasonable counter argument that...

No, that is not what I am saying. It is the nature of the proposition that determines whether a demand for empirical "proof" is appropriate. And a phi...

You are free to read it as many times as you wish.

Or actually real? Or really true? Or truly real? Or actually true? I love the classics. :smile:

The above strike me as inconsistent. If I had said, the existence of truth (or falsehood) depends upon the existence of an assertion, would you have a...

No. It is a simplification of my thesis. Going forward, there is no need for you to continue telling me what I am saying. I know what I am saying. If ...

A demand for "proof" is not a counter argument to a reasonably argued philosophical proposition. Instead, it is a red herring and you know it.

I disagree. If truth is dependent upon an assertion, then absent an assertion, there is no truth. And if you believe in the subject/object dichotomy, ...

I agree. They are symptoms of our Cartesian hangover. We have essentially grown up in a culture that long ago adopted the idea that we are self-suffic...

The first five words of my post are "Though I concede an overlap" Your third sentence says "What you're saying is that demanding proof of a philosophi...

I agree. I am a research scientist though by education I am a lawyer. I work for a company who has acontract with the EPA. We assess and code scientif...

I disagree. You couldn't be more WRONG!! Starting an argument with me is as easy as riding a bicycle. And when I knock you off of that bicycle, you ne...

You nailed it. "Scientism" is the word. Thank you. :smile:

Well said by the both of you. They are called dialogues for a reason. In my experience, people unwilling to define their terms when asked do not know ...

I conceded the overlap in my first sentence. My experience tells me that those interested in philosophy are more likely to be aware of developments in...

Yes. The rational method of philosophy and science share the same procedures for establishing propositions. However, the scientific approach rejects a...

indeed. Though I conceded the overlap in my very first sentence.

I suspect mostly the same as you. Amenable to some form of measurement resulting from replicable procedures. And as empirically minded as the Greeks m...

are you making your own statement or do you want me to answer questions? If it is the former, there is little in your statement I disagree with. If it...

"Reasoning is but reckoning." -Thomas Hobbes You may find this hard to believe, but not all philosophers agree with Mr. Hobbes. Are you suggesting tha...

That is a fair enough question. But I did not say they were useless. I said to the effect they were considered to have less meaningful content. I did ...

the fact that you take pride in your ability to type only proves my point. Your standards are too low. And stop with the type/token stuff. The human i...

I agree. And I think it is bad form to ask for proof when one knows no such proof is forthcoming or that the opposite is equally unprovable. Philosoph...

Seriously? Perhaps you should place your pride in who you are rather than what species you were born into. The former depends entirely upon your choic...

Perhaps you and the poster have a different understanding of imagine. It never occurred to me that imagination must be limited to the logically possib...

Is fallacy your word of the day? False and fallacy are not synonymous. In philosophical argument, a fallacy is generally considered a failure in reaso...

Wrong. You may rest assured that the others guy's mistakes are not as "unique" and "special" as yours. How fallacious of me to expect people to actual...

I disagree for two reasons: 1. The original post posits self awareness as the issue rather than conscious. And I have no reason to presume the poster ...

your 19 minutes is up. Going forward, I do believe it would be a bit more philosophical if you were to ask some questions regarding my understanding o...

Being is that upon the basis of which human being renders intelligible the always already existing world into which it is thrown. And that is my defin...

Seriously, you are going to presume that I have a shallow understanding of being? You are the one whose understanding of being was shallow to the poin...

Definition of being. 1 a : the quality or state of having existence. Seriously, what am I, chopped liver. and please define "experience". I will wait ...