. Umm... you answered the question yourself: our awareness of the whole thing. That's it. Easiest way is simply compare yourself to a computer. Ask a ...
No no no! Sorry, I wrote badly. I didn't mean you, I meant in general "Now if you go" referring to people who go for scientism. And I'll change it to ...
Thinking and reasoning itself actually isn't so much about using the scientific method. The scientific method is really just a bigger method: it's abo...
Yet when you reason, you can change your beliefs. Naturally we do start from our premises, the things we assume to be true. But if by reasoning we com...
Ok, Even if I'm late to this discussion and haven't looked it through, here's my five cents: If the difference between faith and reason isn't obvious ...
I'm not so sure about this in a time when algorithms rule our lives and data mining and big data is extremely popular. Well I can easily confuse reaso...
The logical limitations start from what we can calculate and prove. What you are describing is more physical limitations that we notice in our empiric...
I think it would be productive for this thread if either you or anyone gives the most compelling case just why they cannot be both at the same time. E...
Many would say then that you believe in Free Will. But anyway, I agree on the unprovability of these metaphysical beliefs. The thing is that what we c...
In my view the university/academia is a steamroller that if it doesn't crush your innovation and ability to ask naive questions, you are made of steel...
Well, this is a philosophy site, so people here do understand why in the university math is studied, even if the applications to engineering etc. are ...
Don't forget that people don't simply don't understand probabilities. Even if they know that the Casino always wins, people like to gamble. And how ma...
Have you thought about the possibility of them not understanding the issues at hand well and having misconceptions? Also, yes. That's the magic word: ...
And how can you pick the correct toll, if you don't know the arithmetical and algebraic procedures themselves? By at least learning to do them yoursel...
As we have a lot to thank Aristotle for his ground braking effort to understand the world, I think our scientific understanding has progressed from hi...
Well, models can be for example simplified. In economics we can make the premis of ceteris paribus, all other things being similar, and then assume to...
Well, everything is basically a physical process in the physical universe. At least in one metaphysical World view. In fact then when @"Gnomon"'s idea...
I think it starts form when you treat your own soldiers as cannon fodder, expendable, that has a psychological effect on them as they know (and natura...
Here's a good interview where David Wolpert goes through his reasoning why Laplace's Demon cannot make his forecasts (starting at 4:16)... among other...
Actually as I've studied economics in the university in the 1990's, at least it wasn't so back then. Economics just tries to use dynamical models whic...
I copied the abstract above (so hopefully the magazine won't sue me :yikes:). So, it's basically what we were talking about. If you look at how Turing...
Here's what in 2014 Josef Rukavicka wrote in The American Mathematical Monthly Volume 121, 2014 Issue 6, which goes total the same lines as we have di...
If assumed that LD has God-like abilities, that's a different issue. The basic idea didn't start from the entity have other abilities except perfect k...
That's great! :blush: Yet in actuality, this is quite hard, especially to understand the link to the undecidability results in mathematics. The link t...
This is a good point. Free will is quite a loaded term, especially when you juxtapose free will with determinism. I think that's one of the problems h...
World being deterministic or not is a metaphysical question. If reality is actually a multiverse where the worlds are constantly changing, how would w...
This question comes to the crucial point. In a huge number of cases where there is self reference (or in other words, the model has to take itself int...
I don't think that there's anything wrong in your expression about determinism. This isn't a question about a definition of determinism, it's a proble...
Exactly! Our senses and our abilities are of course limits to us, but that actually is quite a different thing. A simplistic determinist might argue t...
Well, I guess if you believe a multiverse or single universe or that there's "Chance" and "fate" that has an effect on our lives while others don't, I...
I think this is more of a way of argumentation, just like the person who insists that he bases his views on scientific facts and science, makes the no...
But that's the incredible thing: there isn't the influence or a controlling force with determinism! I'll try to explain my point by making the followi...
For the hard-core determinist, there's no difference between causes and "actions" performed by "agents". But of course this making the division betwee...
And that just shows how meaningless the idea is. Because you have to make decisions. That determinism says that with probability 1 you make or abstain...
In physics, we know of this problem as the measurement problem: when the measurement itself effects what is measured, taking a classic measurement won...
What is the sham here is thinking that determinism limits your actions or you don't have the ability to choose... because it's somehow preordained, be...
Turn it around: can you then point to the event that didn't have any reason or cause to happen? Yet this determinism (of everything being billiard bal...
Once the basic freedom of voting rights and equality under law have been accomplished, there's not that clear desire for more freedom than aspiring fo...
In the era of the internet and social media? I think never before have you had such direct knowledge of what people think as this forum is quite the e...
And in something as logical and rigorous as mathematics, the last thing is for us to accept that we have feelings about how it should be. Or that they...
As it's difficult for many of us to understand Russia, it's also perhaps for the Putinist living in Russia to understand the West, especially with the...
Fate and determinism don't actually impose a limit on free will. If you define the future as what will happen, then one can say you believe in determi...
Exactly. And referring to the significance of Gödel's results usually gets a response of someone questioning you exactly how the difficult proof goes ...
Thanks for continuing this thread, Tim! Lol, well, if math is consistent, you'll get the proof. :razz: It's typical to underestimate the people on thi...
Aaah... well, I'll guess that I won't get an answer from him. I don't know about other threads, but in the Eliminating Decision Problem Undecidability...
As I said, we know it from an indirect proof. We can prove that not-X is false, hence we assume that mathematics is consistent, hence X is true (as ei...
Either a mathematical statement S is true or not-S (the negation of S) is true. S and not-S cannot be both true in mathematics. (Either the statement ...
OK, it seems where the problem lies and just why you had this long argument with @"TonesInDeepFreeze" and @"tim wood" (both or one, some pages ago). T...
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