People can claim that we are equal, but majority of people don't even believe that about their own species. Why do you think so many people are agains...
This is the core problem. This is how slavery existed for hundreds of years, because people were content with their inconsistency. It is how women did...
Quite simple. Religious people are the easiest targets for ethical inconsistency. The bible condones slavery, yet they don't think slavery is morally ...
I already answered this. I told you, depending on what your moral system dictates, you can ignore it if you want to. If you don't care about an animal...
For someone to change their behavior, they have to believe their current behavior is incorrect or wrong. I want to know if you actually believe that s...
Torture isn't necessary, but that is what we do within the factory farming business. These animals are tortured before they are killed. But even in a ...
You actually have not given me your personal views, at all. You have vaguely described them, followed by explaining what societies think and social no...
Although you seem to be advocating for Veganism, and I am on your side on that point, I also will recognize that morality is completely subjective at ...
And do you think this is how it should be? That we should base laws on our interaction instead of equality? This is what slave owners thought a few hu...
That's up to you and how you want to create your own moral system. If you don't care about a person's will to live, you don't need to care about that....
The vast majority of humans already know what mistreatment is. We have put up laws against animal cruelty, especially regarding dogs or cats. There's ...
You still have not expressed what your own views are, and I am not sure why. You are just explaining what societies have thought throughout our histor...
Hypothetical scenarios are brought to the table to display an inconsistency or contradiction within one's moral view. And again, you still did not ans...
That's the point I am making. It is not necessary to torture or kill a dog, just as it is not necessary to torture or kill a pig. Also, I did said bot...
What is your foundational stance? I understand you are describing how people operate within the moral sphere, but I want to know where you derive your...
Watch the Documentary (Dominion) I linked in my original post of this thread, and you will see how harmful it actually is. And from what you are sayin...
I still don't understand what mechanism you use to determine a good action from a bad action? At one point, Slavery was NOT frowned up on, and it was ...
Technically, every place on earth has wild life within it. But since humans have built over natural habitats of other species, the wildlife has become...
Hehe. I originally said, "If we forget about other people for now, may I ask you this. What is your basis for ethical/moral decisions? Meaning, how do...
It does matter to me, because I want to understand how you determine right from wrong. What mechanism do you use to differentiate a wrong action from ...
I have no idea what you just wrote. How about we start over. I said this: "the reasoning you use to justify a moral action, is "feeling". Correct?" Le...
Saying that something is cruel, means you are deploying ethics. So if you say something is cruel, you are saying it is unethical. Ethics and Morals ar...
My mistake. I thought you were assuming that natural law is ethical. Wild animals (+ALL animals) should be left alone, as much as possible. Yes, they ...
You want me to give you a program for achieving Veganism? How about you try this: https://www.challenge22.com/challenge22/ They will assign you a ment...
I wasn't out in the wilderness, as I was merely giving an example. Cities/towns/villages are necessary for survival, but not in the types of excess as...
lol yeah. It took me a while... Karl doesn't understand the concept of answering a question. Maybe you can try to ask him in another thread. This is w...
You may define the term "unnecessary" differently than I do, but in this context, I define it as such: Unnecessary = Not need for our survival. We can...
You seem to have side-tracked. The original line of statements were as follows: You: Factory farming is natural. Why is natural law unethical? Me: Jus...
Here's the conversation. Chatterbears: It is wrong to kill animals and people unnecessarily. Karl: But animals are not people. Chatterbears: Why does ...
And is nature is a good indicator of how we should live our lives? Animals rape in nature. Should we then start raping each other since it is 'natural...
There's no guilt trip rhetoric. Unless you want to claim that people who were against slavery 200 years ago, were guilt tripping slave owners into abo...
Then that by logic, everything is a product of nature. Which makes the term useless, and it shouldn't be something we point to as a way to live our li...
Cows/chickens/pigs are sentient. Humans are sentient. We have the ability to suffer and experience pain, as well as pleasure. To commit an unnecessary...
Factory farming isn't a product of nature. It is a product of humans who abuse their power in immoral ways. This is the same question, because an unet...
Would you be saying the same thing if alcohol was solely produced on the back of tortured children? That the only way alcohol could be produced was ch...
Vegans, not vegetarians. Animals are factory farmed because we eat them. If we stopped eating them, they wouldn't be farmed. If you want to say they w...
Just to be clear, the reasoning you use to justify a moral action, is "feeling". Correct? Example: Terrapin kills dogs for furr clothing because he fe...
I never said anything about true or false. Validity is in reference to logic (or fact), which I have already talked about in regards to logically cons...
In other words, humans are selfish assholes, lol. But I agree. Humans, I'd argue, are one of the worst species on the planet lol. All we do is ruin th...
I've tried many different angles, but the health and environmental aspects are the least effective (from my experience). People eat food that they KNO...
Do you think how you intuitively feel about something is a valid justification for an action? This is where ethically consistency comes into your norm...
I have read everything you have written, but still did not notice or understand an answer to my question. So before I continue to answer your question...
It seems a bit evasive to not answer my question, at very least. I have asked it three times now, " Why is it okay to needlessly kill non-human animal...
It's fine to state the foundational moral stance (Metaethics), but that is irrelevant to whether or not your normative stance is internally consistent...
You seem to only be talking about Metaethics, when I am in fact talking about Normative Ethics. Or in the specific case of Veganism, Applied Ethics. I...
If this Article is incorrect, I am fine with acknowledging better research out there. I don't have a problem with accepting new studies and peer revie...
Why is it okay to needlessly kill non-human animals for food, but not humans? Then I guess there may not be a point to discuss further if we disagree ...
Plain and simple, animals would not be needlessly killed if society stopped buying animal products. If everybody stopped buying meat tomorrow, do you ...
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