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The issue is deeper. The fear is that a handful of populous states could, through an exercise of federal power, overrule issues states see as their jo...

they may not go looking for your ballerina. But all science is based on doubt and the understanding that nothing is provable. All science says about t...

Which is consistent with Rahner as I understand him. I would say his definition of pre apprehension is an awareness before an understanding

was referring to meaning of life, as in some inherent part of the human condition that we seek a meaning for our existence

wasn't ignoring you, busy weekend This part. We know a lot about tea pots, we know what they look like, we know how they move, we would know one if we...

So a primary idea on this to me, is this. If, you believe as I do, that some inherent search for meaning and purpose is part of the human condition. T...

are you aware of what Qualia is. I think it is very much what you are saying. The classic thought experiment goes something like this. A person is kep...

The only thing any scientist would say about anything that lacks empirical evidence is that is lacks empirical evidence, that is it, that is the only ...

There is nothing there to disagree with. But it just does not say anything of value about the utility of moral judgments

It would add credibility to your pronouncements if, just occasionally, you would provide some support for them. It seems the only thing you need to te...

My definition of subjective morality is a moral judgment that has no inherent truth value. That the truth value of the statement, or the mental phenom...

You have an unassailable argument. You define all things we think as subjective Moral judgments are things we think Moral judgments are subjective Und...

This was clear, I understand. And just disagree. Which is fine.

seems we just have a definition argument.

not one word of that addresses the point I made about the analogy, not one word. Just one more pronouncement from the all and powerful S. No argument,...

, Not being obstinate or argumentative. Maybe just ignorant. I just don't see the logic in the biology argument, as defacto proof of subjective morali...

you did not address the source of these judgments.

So exactly how many does it take in your world to shift it from objective to subjective 1 in 7.5 Billion, 10, 1000, 1%. ? Rare exceptions does not pro...

I understand the point, what has not been explained is the link that makes these judgments subjective by definition because a human being makes them. ...

Why, simply because it is a moral judgment, by an individual thought, makes that thought by definition subjective. People in that same mental phenomen...

I have never called this near universal moral judgment on some issues a "objective truth". I said it points to their is an objective moral judgment on...

deep breaths S, been a busy day.

I do not understand your link between our near general agreement agreement about some things, and our biological development. If you include some near...

No I don’t you just have not come up with any reason why on some issues it is near universal. If you want to say we have all evolved as humans to feel...

i can’t find it. Sorry can you paste it again

I never argued this near universal agreement was not biological, I have said a few times said it could be evolved. It is just not a individually uniqu...

I understand and disagree, can you explain your position in one complete thought. Why am I failing against Ockham’s razor.

"It doesn't " is the best explanation so far Is it really moral relativism or some form of mental illness that is a better explanation of why some inc...

I think I understand your point, let me try and paraphrase it back. The moral judgment we as individuals communicate, has an origin in our individual ...

This point is nonsense. I have given you all a challenge, show that relative morality is a better explanation than some degree of objective morality f...

Such systems of desire, thought, evaluation of thought, re visit desire, think again have got us all kind of places I don't see how any of that says a...

Talking past each other, I say some degree of objective morality is a better explanation of near unanimous moral judgments on some issues than relativ...

You can't make an argument by exception to a point I acknowledge at the outset is not for all, but for some judgments. Comparing judgments about the n...

I didn't make up the term no seeum, that is the name of the argument you are describing. And, you may find this hard to believe, but at something as s...

Not sure if you read my post above about Karl Rahner, this is very much in line with his view of what he called "pre apprehension ".

I think our passions (what we desire), impacts our thoughts, and ordering and evaluating our thoughts against our passions, and our values, and agains...

as crazy as this possibility is, I might disagree with the nose analogy, even crazier, you could be wrong. It is possible. It does seem a tad ironic t...

I think, whether or not the are conscious of it or not, the rope the relativists can not let go off, is a question of source. Like you, I tried to sho...

The entire wonderful history of science is finding stuff it didn't believe existed- until it did. Every generation believes its science has the answer...

There is a very very big logic fault in equating the no seeum arguments for teapots and unicorns to god. Here is the flaw, all no seeum arguments say ...

As far as I know we are still not at the bottom of that, did I miss something? Or maybe as Karl Rahner would say, all human beings have a latent ("unt...

But you can’t bite the apple and tell someone it tastes both good and bad at the same time. In order to communicate your view of the taste of the appl...

so you have subjective judgments described by subjective adjectives describing subjective concepts - Why would anyone care about such a judgement ?

you just agreed a sec ago that good cant equal bad, and right cant equal wrong on a specific issue - that means they have objective meaning.

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so then there has to be a near objective understanding of good or bad or right and wrong - for all these subjective judgments to have any meaning. How...

perfect. would you also agree there is some line, in regard to any issue where they are dichotomous. Good cant ever equal bad, and right can not equal...

I have, a few times, in a few forms. but once again- other than in a smoke filled dorm room - near unanimity of a particular view would clearly cause ...

Lets talk about the concepts of Good and Bad, or right and wrong. You all believe that all moral judgments in one degree or another are relative. But ...

now you are just wasting time just repeating back the same point - and making declarations without support or reason. going down this whole line of re...