I think you are looking at this from the wrong point of view. In your example the robber is the woman and the fetus is innocent walking down the stree...
- understand - however if there are predictable consensuses of the action we tend to hold people responsible for them. In the case of the robbery, the...
always kind of thought if the world is finite, it lent some weight to the concept of an un-created - creator, or a non-contingent being. What am I mis...
yea understand - it really only makes sense if you could assume for the sake of argument the fetus is a moral actor. Didn't say that - because thought...
My response would be that the robbery is the action of another. You can't implicitly consent to someone else's action. Not sure I understand the diffe...
Interested your guys view on the concept of Implied consent on the right of the fetus to the use of the woman's body. the logic goes something like th...
it is not good philosophy because it makes absolutely no attempt to be good philosophy. Quite the contrary, Judge Blackmun states - "We need not resol...
quite a few times. There is dispute on how good or bad a legal decision it was. But there is really no dispute it is bad philosophy. excerpts from the...
one other point, forgive me the laziness of not finding it, but I think you made a point to S that morality wasn’t black and white, it was on some typ...
I make no capacity argument for the fetus at all its claim to future, just like ours is pure biology. The life Tim wood is living right now was at one...
Agree, and in the actual argument marquis address it. But the argument is not about any future, it is about a future, like ours. I have addressed this...
Because, you go on Because, you go on . It has a future. Well does it? It has a possible future, and that future is problematic; viz, there's a possib...
not the point of the argument. As with Tim, I am not in any delusion that I would change your mind, just think it is always useful to hear the counter...
your right, you win the argument is awful and is completely destroyed by your awesome summation. I never for a second believed it would change anyone’...
you are trying very hard to add the concept of personhood into the argument, and I have made no claim at all the fetus is a person. The argument does ...
It is an organism, and at the appropriate time in its life cycle it can reproduce. Does wrong = immoral? Why sometimes a future, when do they not have...
no, take a stab at where you think we are, sometimes it is best to hear back where we think we are. I have done a lot of heavy lifting here. Tell me i...
and the last part last caveat - this argument makes no attempt at the next level argument that even if the fetus has a right not to be killed because ...
Conclusion and exceptions Conclusion If P1 and one definition of murder is the loss of ones future of value and if P6 Shortly after the process of con...
in light of use of mother's body? That is a separate argument than FLO we are having. It is perfectly possible that even if we agree the FLO argument ...
ok, give me another word, for the concept then, that if left alone it would experience a future. Just as when you and I were left alone we experienced...
one argument at a time please, other wise we just go round and round. We can discuss the right of the organism to the use of the mother's body, but fi...
The concept of ideal desire goes, as in the premise, You banno, are in an accident, you are completely unconscious, and are in need of life support. I...
not sure what the difference is. The point is, left alone, it would have a unique future that it would experience. I am not hung on word possess more ...
I never gave, nor am required to give awareness or desire to the organism. The argument goes, the lack of awareness and/or desire due to the stage of ...
it was just for the embodied mind. On your other point, you are just taking a characteristic, and modifying it so it it can't apply where you don't wa...
never used the term human beings P7 One’s awareness or desire for one’s future of value does not impact the moral permissiveness of taking it as in P1...
the thought experiment that goes with it, is I get in car accident and my body is a mess, but my brain is fine, at the same time, do to some illness a...
Sounds like we are kind of ok on P2 - on to P3 P3. All adult humans undergo the same process of development Currently, there is no other way to become...
I agree. The only claim in the FVOL argument about the fetus is it is a unique human organism. The overt purpose of the argument is to avoid the moras...
agree on the human part. On unique meaning it can only make 1 specific and unique individual human. It can't make Tim wood and rank and s. It can only...
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