Completely agree Completely agree And, that is a shame Completely agree Completely agree, and this is very much what I was trying to say. And the pers...
I think every child is a child is better But it does point to how badly we as a people need to distort biology and logic to justify abortion. Examples...
I think abortion, as a method of birth control, is a symptom of a rather complicated web of social issues and pressures. I don't believe anyone at the...
I have no better way of saying this. He is going to make an argument about the nature of the fetus Before he starts he is asking the reader to assume ...
hard to argue with that. I gave up being amazed at our ability as humans to justify killing the people we want dead a very long time ago. Something is...
I didn't even make it through the whole post, All this shows is you have not even made the slightest effort to understand the argument, you are arguin...
My God, for the now 5th time. The major assumption he is making is, that the nature of what a fetus is, is a determining factor in if abortion is or i...
yes p1 is all about you me, want to call us persons, I don't care. But it had nothing at all, about fetuses, they are not even mentioned in p1. ALL P1...
my goodness, for like the 20th time. p1 of the argument has NOTHING to do with the fetus, NOTHING Here is the whole logic of the argument First- you h...
You changed the argument into what you want it to say so it doesn't work, and then say see it doesn't work. That is just garbage. At the time I told y...
Ok, you are right the proposition is not conditional. It is "the car has an engine" , If you wish to argue it, you say, "the car does not have an engi...
but to address your point yet again. In a syllogistic argument, the person making the argument states propositions they claim to be true, and if those...
so I am sure you are right, but I have gone back over those links I sent you - and I can't find the quoted line above in them - Or am i reading your p...
I have no original arguement to make on the issue - and in 18 pages have not seen an origiinal one against - if originality was a requirement on this ...
just a quick grab off the internet, these folks who argue against marquis seemed to have missed your point: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/philo...
please don't continue to make vague semantic references - if you actually have a point about what you want responsibility to mean in the case we are d...
he and they ( one by the way was a pro choice argument) does no such thing, and i have explained your error in on this point a few times. But just tak...
Is pregnancy as a result of sex the former or the later ? We know what we are talking about - I say there is a responsibility You say no - Butterfly e...
I understand that is your belief, and that is 100 pct fine. But that is not argument. I think we have been back and forth enough on this - these are t...
Yes it should be. So we are NOT responsible for the direct and predictable results of our act of free will because a butterfly flapped it wings in Arg...
Is not an answer to the question, is a dodge I asked at the start that this be assumed for the sake of arguing this concept - because it has to be for...
So, are we relieved of the responsibility of our acts of free will, simply by them not being intended? I didn't want to hit that car as I ran the red ...
Can you tie that to the father and mother having no responsibility for the consequence of their act of free will please. Yet again, just a bunch of wo...
thanks , banno. An assumption of the argument is the fetus is a moral actor. Has a right to life. Otherwise the argument is absurd. So, just for the s...
That is true of explicit consent, But implied consent, as you have already agreed here to as a valid concept is by definition not an intentional givin...
Quick aside, and it may just be me - but i find your prose most confusing. But let me give it a try. "It seems you want to establish consent. " Not re...
My take, an opinion is an unsupported belief. It certainly can be true and useful, but it either can't or is not for some reason defended. Knowledge c...
just to help a little. David Boonin in his "pro choice" book " In defense of abortion" addresses the issue of Tacit Consent this way. He grants, that ...
not sure I stopped responding. Again you denied the concept of implied consent - out of hand. You give no reason at all why, it is manufactured, that ...
So, in some type of summary, To the question I proposed, although you seem to believe in the concept of an implied consent, you point is it does not a...
just a matter of opinion on the relative speculation of a necessary being versus (fill in the blank). Science knows what it knows, and more importantl...
TP, I am fine with almost all the non- God possible answers. But the finite uuniverse, which at this moment of our understanding is the scientific con...
No problem with that at all. Agree, didn't think I did, and if so, not intentionall. What we know, we know. What don't know is a open to a free exchan...
please, you made a declarative statement In general we follow those with support, so the person you are talking to can address it. And as a reminder, ...
your right it doesn't - can't believe the amount of time and effort we humans have put into that question for the last couple of thousand years. Waste...
I said Ok, Ok, and now Ok. I was wrong, there is no such thing as causality in physics - I bend to your overwhelming knowledge on the subject. Not rea...
and the difference between that and, the taking care of the material needs before birth ? Again, an assumption of the argument is the fetus is a moral...
That is the reason I stop. Why continue ? We each made our point, You seemed quite convinced. There was not going to be anything more of value to say....
I agree - but if the universe is finite. By definition it had a first moment. so also by definitnon there was nothing before that. So there was nothin...
The name of the concept is "implied consent" I didn't chose it. You can surely make a case the concept doesn't apply. But it has nothing at all do to ...
no matter how you cut it, you are saying that from nothing - there was something - that was not caused. Can't see how with that understanding - you ca...
actually what I argued was. by her action of free will, she was responsible for the possible outcomes of that action. So to put back in your example. ...
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