Different "religions" are better for different individuals and different groups of people living in different times and environments. "Atheism", suppo...
It's not the case for all decisions... Positive moral claims (claims pertaining to positive moral obligations) are notoriously disagreeable, and there...
I find it cognitively underwhelming to only read or write in curt and simplistic fashion :wink: . To be fair I think my writing style has its moments,...
I'm well aware of contracting attention spans in the era of click bait. You would be better off having read the second to last paragraph: That one par...
Ultimately I agree with this, but I think you understate how much rationally persuasive wiggling room we can derive from comparing/discarding bad mode...
Yes it dismisses a kind of hard moral guilt, but it leaves practical responsibility intact. The killer might not have hard free will, but we still nee...
If moral truth can only stem from subjective starting values (we agree on this) what purpose does the "amoral" descriptor serve beyond reaffirming our...
I know you don't condone FGM, and I think I know what relativism is... The point I'm trying to make by harping on your reaction to my statement that "...
Are you talking about the practice/concept of FGM or the act of FGM? I'm not following why we need relativism to escape the amoral descriptor. I thoug...
How very humble of you. If someone offered to cut off your daughters clitoris, would you be interested to know about the boons and benefits she would ...
Rational arguments very well might make zero difference, but whether or not we are able to recognize and accept them does make a difference (because t...
Setting our disagreement about specific social issues aside for a moment, you're misinterpreting the point I'm making. By "in fact" I meant that there...
This is just semantics, but "amoral" really is not the right word. What you're saying is that there's no absolute and universal objective moral truth ...
I guess so. I just happen to also think that more often than not it is the matters of fact which drive moral disagreement, not disparate or competing ...
I get what you're saying, but I think amoral isn't the right word. Essentially you're saying that everything is amoral (right?) but that would render ...
I was making the point that we have some capacity to predict whether or not FGM is beneficial to a society's subjective moral values, and you went on ...
In societies where FGM is broadly enforced for reasons pertaining to well-being, I wouldn't consider it amoral because it's motivated by the moral val...
My point is that FGM is indeed morally erroneous per the fundamental moral values of the concerned victims and perpetrators. Shared or un-shared, FGM ...
You can call them moral stances in so far as they are stances that impact others, but we can also say that such individuals are not "practicing morali...
Because consideration in this case means more than just being aware of. A serial killer carefully considers the ramifications of their preferred inter...
Because moral truth (for you) can depend on more than what is in your own mind, it must also consider what is in the minds of others. To not consider ...
Oh but we can. FGM is indeed erroneous... There's no good reason for anyone to ostracize a woman who had her clitoris forcibly removed at puberty. Bas...
I didn't expect any push back about the effectiveness of vaccines, so perhaps we could substitute the example for something else: Female genital mutil...
This is a fair enough point. You're right; some people suppose morality is some tangible set of laws that exist in some kind of ultimate and universal...
I haven't brought the government into this. In fact, all I suggested was that there is indeed a correct answer to the question of whether or not vacci...
You're saying that moral "truth" has to not depend on human preference, because human preference is not objective. That's meta-ethical. No, but the st...
When you say "the moral part", you're appealing to a meta-ethical definition of morality as theoretical. When I say it, I appeal to morality as an app...
When the facts change from our perspective, the moral status of the actions in question can also change from our perspective (to vaccinate or not to v...
Think about how often, in practice, someone promotes the opposite... "It is right to undermine the health of your child?" Physical and mental health a...
Do you agree that it is either a good decision or a bad decision or vaccinate your child? Yes, the truth of vaccine effectiveness can be difficult for...
You can still have objectivity on a spectrum. Some moral practices are objectively worse than others from a given set or sets of moral preferences, an...
They're more important than etiquette because they concern the "preferences" which we value and seek to protect above all others (eg: the desire to go...
It's simply that we base our ideas of what actions are "good and bad" (and thereby a way to derive oughts) around concepts like "Billy doesn't want to...
True, but as far as the most prevalent (nearly universal) and most important moral preferences are concerned, we're all so similarly positioned that i...
To a large degree it depends on how we define "morality". If human preference is the locus of a given definition, it's wielders will go around equatin...
I think that you've hinted at a deeper question: what galvanizes (binds together and sustains) movements in the first place? What ought to? To paraphr...
Fallism, like Occupy, came and went, but their underlying emotional discussions have been going on for over a hundred years (the Marxist perspective b...
This is just pseudo-academic gobbledygook. "Neo-colonial ideology" is a generalized bogeyman that portrays all western progress as dependent on the in...
I don't think the titular assumption here is true, but it might contain some truth. I would instead say that a dangerous society is a cautious society...
From my meta-ethical position morality only exists to service existing human values, which is why when given conduct is detrimental to the relevant va...
I don't mean "contemplate", I mean "service". I'm using the "treatment" connotation of consider; to consider something is to treat it with attention a...
Meta-meta-ethics :cool: Normative ethical truth occurs in the way an action/agreement actually considers/preserves the genuine personal preferences of...
We tend to establish moral rules/norms by appealing to shared values, but the fact that values are shared, per se, isn't what establishes moral "truth...
I like both your focus on "do" and on "we". My most recent thread attempted to capture the "doing" aspect of any strategic truth (what are moral ought...
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