How can one be sure one is not fooled? or deluded? There are even discussions in the Scientific theory symposiums where the scientists discuss how can...
You seem to have misunderstood me. I was not saying that seeing and imagining is the same thing. I was saying that if delusions, illusions are regarde...
I tend to see mental images all the time, when I am remembering or imagining, even when I think of something, I can see images of the object I am thin...
The point is whether seeing an object in your mind, not in the external world should be included in perception. When you are not seeing the cup in the...
When Austin keeps analysing the Delusion and Illusion case, he appears to be acknowledging the fact that perception has cases where it gives wrong per...
Yes, I think when Austin goes on explaining about the usage of word "Real", even he was aware that our perception was not 100% immune from infallibili...
Austin's English and writing style is very clear, so there is little possibility for misunderstanding what he was saying. And all the points we have b...
Yes, good point actually. But then does Austin defines what perception is? His analysis on Delusion and Illusion is interesting. I feel what Austin wa...
Ludwig V says that Austin might not have had any idea on Perception. In that case, I am wondering on what Philosophical ground Austin was opposing Sen...
Quick search brings up Computational Theory of Perception. If Austin was not a direct realist, then it would disappoint me. Because then it implies th...
Your statement is based on a fallacy of false dichotomy. Surely there are more perceptual theories than just the two. The question didn't presuppose a...
Austin's claim seems to be devoid of good evidence or reasoning apart from the fact that it is revealing some aspect of perception from the perspectiv...
It implies that it is indirect. Direct and indirect are just words i.e. adjectives and adverbs describing how perception worked. One can say, I can se...
My understanding was that "directly" was used to emphasise the fact that we don't perceive material things "directly", but perceive indirectly via sen...
If you were asked who was smelling the body scent from the underwear, of course, you could say "I ( ) was smelling it directly from the underwear." Bu...
Sure. Touching someone indirectly is possible. Think of a dermatology doctor wearing thin surgical rubber gloves, and performing skin examination of a...
My point was just simply, eyes are the medium which passes the perceived lights into the retina, the retina forms images from the lights, converts to ...
I find Austin and Ayer's account of the topic interesting and useful. But I still feel the classic account of indirect perception which has been aroun...
Eyes are the visual sense organ passing the lights into the brain. Of course eyes are not the perceiver, but it is part of the visual perceiving mediu...
It is not a different interest. It was just part of the explanation why perceptions are indirect. Austin's first page of the book is about direct and ...
Thanks mate. :) The fact that Ayer and Austin both deal with the issues regarding direct and indirect perception implies, that they must have taken th...
Thanks for your quote. :pray: The fact that Austin starts with direct and indirect perception in his book implies that he took the issue not lightly? ...
Indirect and direct are just words, which are adjectives to describe the noun, how it works. Perceptions are not by definition or essence linked to Di...
I was wanting to keep interacting from my own thoughts only on the topic, but perhaps I must read the Austin, and even Ayer too if the thread is about...
Yes, I do appreciate your points too. After good argument sessions, I always feel I have learnt 10 times more than any lectures or readings. As you ma...
I was just responding to the other members queries on the points. You got to give out your points as clearly as possible, if you had one, when asked, ...
I used to think every perception is indirect i.e. via sense-datum. But Banno says that Austin claims there are perceptions which are not indirect. So ...
Wasn't Austin a direct realist? His argument was against sense-data theory in perception, claiming that when you perceive an external world object, yo...
You need more than just identifying a table as a table in visual perception. What if the object you were seeing was a look-alike table, but actually i...
Wasn't it what Bob Ross and his supporters were claiming in his previous thread "Metaphysics as illegitimate source of knowledge"? I was sure they wer...
We seem to be in agreement. :cool: :up: True, but the problem is the engineer would sometimes say, all metaphysical knowledge is invalid, because it d...
I feel that Ayer's sense data theory is more reasonable. If everything you perceive is real, and that is it, it sounds too simple, and it has no groun...
Yes, I suppose the brain and mind's closest analogy would be computer processor and software. But again there are too many gaps between them to equate...
If we allow that, then I would be a bit concerned with a very likely possibility of the realist's claim that even illusions are real, because it is th...
There are cases where the objects are not visible at all by bare eye sight. Consider a far away star too dim to be seen with bare eyes in the night sk...
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