I don't see how action and direction could be other than universals, and therefore they cannot be accidentals. Each of these is a relative term, refer...
That's right, we look for substance, things like reality, truth, and soundness, when judging rules as correct and incorrect. The point being that rule...
The thing is, Aristotle demonstrated that actuality is necessarily prior to potentiality. Potentiality will not produce anything actual unless it is a...
The problem with this pan-semiotic view is that it is completely unsupported by evidence, and is actually contrary to the evidence. The need to assume...
How would you address the problem then? My way of using words is right according to my rules, and Michael's way of using words is right according to t...
This is what you said there: See, the presence of Christ is dependent on "the proper performance of the rite". That's right, I look at this whole ques...
I've never disagreed with you, on this point. Saying what the essence of a thing is, is just a matter of following a specific type of rule. Where I di...
I look at that as a pointless argument. What a thing is, is dependent on two things, how you define your terms, and your judgement of the thing in que...
Worse than what? If there is no such thing as objective morality, you can't compare to this. If objective morality is a possibility then you cannot sa...
See, you are still making the same mistake. You are referring to the object as wine, when in fact, it is called the blood of Christ. We are trying to ...
This is a very peripheral, perspective dependent, subjective, description of the situation. Let's get beyond that, right to the point. You are describ...
I'm not really interested in what some individual Christians believe, as those beliefs are all over the place. What I'm interested in is the act of tr...
I have yet to see a demonstration otherwise. Hanover was trying to make a distinction between reporting what is the case, and decreeing what is the ca...
Here's another way of demonstrating how your way of looking at this issue is completely backward. We can designate names to objects for any purpose, w...
I think that you are trying to make an argument by equivocation. In one sense, the word sequential refers to a succession or order in time, and in thi...
I think you still misunderstand the nature of substance. If a person is composed of two substances, then the person is two individual objects. To say ...
I see no reason to believe that a thing must be measurable to have real existence. Some philosophies distinguish between qualities and quantities, and...
Wow, that's a lot of work, it takes me fifteen minutes just to find a particular post sometimes. Isn't any type of word use essentially the same type ...
We can look at grammar as the means by which we make what we say comprehensible to others. We often overlook the fact that the way things appear to me...
Just out of curiosity Michael, how did you separate all these transubstantiation related comments from the non-transubstantiation related comments in ...
I believe that real knowledge with respect to this subject is a noble goal. Whether or not it will ever be obtained by anyone, in any absolute sense i...
I agree that the concept of substance is fundamentally incoherent. It's just like the concept of God in that way, it is something assumed because we a...
The physicalist relies on the possibility that things not now understood by physical principles will in the future be understood by physics. Therefore...
It's not quite essentialism which is at play here, because it is the concept of substance which the Church latches on to. The reason why there has bee...
What I notice is a distinct difference between past and future, in reference to events, one referring to events which have occurred and the other to e...
Why not? Just employ fishfry's closed system analogy. The only difference, I suggest is to allow that time is passing within that system. There's a cl...
The presence of Christ is real whether or not God exists, but what "real" means differs accordingly. That something is "true", "fact", or "real" requi...
I don't recall any reference to "objective" or "objectivity" in the claims of the Church. That's the term I was using to describe the difference betwe...
To begin with, that the object is a cracker, is a judgement. So let's just say we have an object. That it is an object requires that it has substance....
No, there's no non-sequitur, because the arguments hold with or without God. Without God, substance is a human assumption, it is whatever we say it is...
It's not "simply" because the Church says so, nothing with the Church is simple, but it is because the Church says so. God follows the word of the Chu...
I don't like that phrase "get stuck in". What do you mean by that? I only conjure up an image of being Catholic, and being "stuck in" this sacrament, ...
Ok, now you've distinguished between accidental properties and essential properties. A change to essential properties doesn't constitute a change in s...
I know, you need the will of God to assist you. If everyday you refer to that item as the blood of Zeus, and everyone else around you refers to it as ...
Right, the pre-established meaning appears to be what the Church has established, and this is that the items referred to are in fact, the body and blo...
You are making Michael's mistake, mixing up properties for substance. I replied to everything I thought was relevant, maybe repeat the part that you h...
This is nonsense, the utterance are the name change. You are proposing a scenario in which the name change occurs (the utterances), without the name c...
As I said with Hanover, I don't recognize the distinction you are making. To assert the proposition "this item is the body of Christ", is nothing othe...
No, we may measure the evidence (the effect), and make certain inferences concerning the cause, and then we make a judgement concerning the person's g...
I had a bad dream last night. I was back in school and I had to write a paper on transubstantiation. It was the day before the paper was due and I cou...
Right, the topic is substance. You come in and start to talk about properties as if properties were substance. I point out to you that we're talking a...
Well maybe some Christians told you that, but these Christians obviously are not familiar with the doctrine of the Catholic Church. It is clearly stat...
Sure, we make inferences about the cause by examining the effect, that's exactly what I said. What I said is that we cannot "measure" the cause by exa...
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