Ah, OK. In that case I don't know where you're pointing. Perhaps it is only the msc part that is the pile of black and white in question, situated bet...
To re-quote your Pinter snippet: That sounds somewhat like idealism as well and I totally agree with it. Something (humans, whatever) finds pragmatic ...
All true, but I did say 'classical'. Your comment goes beyond a classical description. It very much seems you cannot since there's nothing that says t...
All your wordings demonstrate a presumption of being a thing that has somehow won an incredibly low odds lottery and has 'become you'. It's a differen...
You're still reaching for human meaning, when I'm trying to avoid it. I am in no way suggesting that the concept of objects is meaningless to us. Admi...
Kind of looks that way, doesn't it? But object, connected, joined, touching ] all seem to be restricted to mere concepts, having similar lack of physi...
Indirectly. The comment talked about even bugs having gestalts, but a bug has no pragmatic use for a concept of a foot. All kind of off topic, since I...
I'll sign off if I feel I'm done. Don't like to ghost a conversation. Your post was way off the mark, which made it very easy to keep the reply short....
But I suspect that nothing 100 million years ago envisioned a foot as a distinct object. That was the point of my comment. Maybe I don't give the bein...
Apologies for slow reply fishfry, but another topic has consumed much of my attention and I didn't even see your notify in my mention list. I meant to...
Did they have feet? Did anything (back then) treat dinosaur feet as a particular? To the dinosaur, probably not. If it steps on something sharp, it mi...
I don't understand this comment. If these things are prior to our purposes and conceptualisations, then how is this relationship 'for humans'? I am ki...
Another fictional example to add to my list, an older one this time: The Midas touch. King Midas touches a twig. No convention/intention is conveyed. ...
Then you've used language to invoke a convention. I can't do that with any of tools I mentioned. I cannot explain to my device what my intent is when ...
A number of people seem to have conceded my point that the demarcation of an object is strictly an ideal, a mental convention. Phaser work because the...
Meaning definitely needs to be conveyed (via programming, huge database, etc) to perform such a task. I'm looking for an example where one need not co...
Thank you all for your replies. My topic was mostly an observation. If you can think of exceptions to my 'it isn't physics' assertion, such counterarg...
We see things differently then. I have my world, and they have theirs. It's how I use the term 'world'. You don't seem to have a use for the term at a...
No. The interface in the video always shows the user rotating in place, so where he is does not change, only things at a distance as the cross section...
It was over 40% shorter than the post to which I was replying. I do try to trend downward when the posts get long. This one for instance is also about...
If they're human, and they watch what we do and we don't act human, then their simulation is missing critical things. Watching us should be indistingu...
No, but it has an interface which is the beginnings of what one might look like for viewing simulation states. Yes, the controls to the tool constitut...
We can only speculate as to the purpose of running this kind of simulation, and thenature of the output depends on that purpose. Maybe it is a sort of...
I would say the humans are entities created by rearrangement of matter, and that the matter in this case happens to be simulated by the running proces...
You seem to have a dualistic definition of 'will'. All of your examples (pacman, p-zombies) are dualist/VR references. Bostrom's hypothesis is not. He...
Who makes that claim? Quote it please. If you can't do that, then you're making a strawman assertion. Not minds/people in the GS world, no. The claim ...
You sound like Arkady, but no, that statement is misleading. It makes it sound like the limbic system is simulated but you are not. So either "I have ...
You seem to be referring to a virtual reality. The simulation hypothesis is not a virtual reality. The people (us) are simulated. In a VR, we would be...
Take airplanes. If the simulation initial state was set in the 20th century, then it includes airplane technology. It is 'given' so to speak. If the i...
I tried to be more precise than that. Something not actually dangerous at all (say most spiders), can trigger a fear reflex. Some actually dangerous t...
OK, by those two strangely unaligned definitions, if Bostrom's hypothesis is true, then your experience of fear is real, but not genuine. I don't see ...
Not sure what you're saying here. If you don't fear something, then it seems you don't recognize it as a danger. I suppose one could employ wordplay t...
No. Simulated cognition influenced by simulated chemistry. The code is not simulated, unless of course you're multiple layers deep. Another word for d...
That depends heavily on how one defines free will. The way it is being used in this topic, free will is agency of a physical entity (something in the ...
Ah, Searle said that, which makes sense. Of course Searle isn't going to accept a naturalist premise, but his unwillingness to set aside his opinion a...
I notice you seem to use the verbs 'cause' and 'determine' somewhat interchangeably there. I agree with all, but I want to highlight some distinctions...
Pool balls don't seem to be an example of something enacting will, of something making choices. A self-driving car makes choices, unless you're the ty...
Quite right, but they still can be held responsible for their choices in the simulation itself. If you make a bad choice (cross street without looking...
My reply was edited since I think I finally grasped what you mean by 'instantiation', as being distinct from 'simulation'. No they're not. They are us...
It means 'Great Simulator', which is the base reality running the base simulation. So if we're 3 levels down, the GS is the first level, the only leve...
Nobody calls them simulated storms. I was in one last night, and we all call it a storm. Sure, they are simulated storms in the GS (fishfry's term, wh...
We seem to be unable to communicate. A simulated thing that was causally disconnected from its environment would be an inaccurate simulation, unless p...
I can answer this. Metaphysics is about what physically is, and physics is about what physically is measured. That's a crude definition, but what it c...
I want to agree and disagree with this. By most definitions of 'reality', yes, a simulated world would be a reality of its own, but it being called a ...
Why are almost all my quotes labeled "keystone"? I said it couldn't simulate itself exactly. I didn't say it couldn't simulate itself. It is necessary...
An exact simulation of any GS world cannot be done by that GS. My comment to which you replied talks about us being the GS, and when we run a simulati...
Having heard of it and understanding it are two very different things,. The bombs in the referenced experiment are never in superposition of anything....
If I try to simulate our actual world, I must approximate it since perfect simulation is impossible, requiring, among other things, infinite precision...
Yea, A2D, what were you thinking? It's goes on the ceiling, duh! Putting on the floor requires you to step on it and break it. How does putting the mi...
I put out some definitions in my topic Simulation theory and VR theory are very different, but you seem to be using simulation for both. I often short...
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