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No, they are not. At least according to Kant. How do you define objective and subjective when it comes to morality?

It depends on what you mean by properties and attributes. Yes, philosophers define essence differently. These are what people believe. Of course, not.

The SEP article you cited states what universal means: "Second, recast that maxim as a universal law of nature governing all rational agents, and so a...

Then give me an argument for morality being objective. I think we have been through this. Morality is objective only if it is based on pure reason. I ...

Don't you think that there are societies that have different opinions on whether an action is right or wrong? Doesn't that negate what morality is?

I rather consult the SEP webpage that you cited to see what Kant means with the universal laws. Morality is about whether an action is right or wrong....

Interesting. Thanks for quoting the verse.

To me, two things help us distinguish objects from each other: essence and attributes. Essence is about what an object is—attribute however allows us ...

Ok.

How could He be the Son of Man if Mary is accepted to be a virgin?

Okay, that is one acceptable scenario. Another acceptable scenario is that Jesus never said those words when He was on the cross. So who knows!?

Two substances could have different essences. Two substances could have the same essence but different properties, such as location. Two Omnipresent s...

I say that morality is personal. A person with locked-in syndrome has the right to terminate his/her life for example. I don't think that there is suc...

So you think that people make up the gospel of John, which is not what Jesus said.

We say that two substances are intrinsically different when they have different essences.

Sorry, I should have written all societies instead of any society. The fact that countries or societies have different laws means that morality is not...

God and Jesus accepting that Jesus is God have different substances. Their substances differ because their essences are different.

Quite the opposite. If an action is proven to be objectively right or wrong then any society must accept it as right or wrong. That is a matter of the...

I think agnostic is the correct term for me. An essence to me describes what makes a thing what it is. Essence is about whatness.

According to Kant, accepting a maxim as a universal law is a way to determine whether an action is right or wrong. Once people agree that an action is...

Let's focus on Kant's first formulation of morality since the article is long and he has several formulations. We can discuss other formulations after...

No problem mate! :) I am undecided about believing in God. The same applies to life after death. I have to face these to be certain. Yes.

Ok, I will read them when I have time.

Never did I claim such a thing. Different substances are different in their essences.

I think you are talking about the attributes of an intelligent agent. Animals also experience and cause for example.

The fact that Jesus was abandoned is against Trinity doctrine. There is a problem with this doctorine as you mentioned. Mormons believe that they beco...

Well, God can teach us the truth so we can become Omniscient if knowledge is bound. I think two entities with the same sort of substance cannot occupy...

We like things because they make us feel good. I have my definition of good and evil. I used these definitions to explain my coherent view when it com...

I am not stuck. I hope we can chat on another topic sometime soon. :)

I am wondering what is the argument for objective morality. As I mentioned Kant's argument is false. Hume's argument is based on specific feelings tha...

I think it leads to moral anti-realism. Why do you think that it leads to moral nihilism? Well, reason requires facts as its premises. I am wondering ...

I challenge the belief of those who think that moral facts are universal and infallible. All people who believe in an eye for an eye for example. All ...

They feel the same way; they establish the laws based on that and everybody has to follow the laws. There is no problem as far as there is no conflict...

Cool. :) Feeling good is a feature of our experiences. To me, the right action is what we should do and that can be good or evil, like rewarding or pu...

Well, that is not an argument in favor of objective morality. The majority of the human population feels the same way in the same situations. But ther...

By the group, I mean the majority of the human population. No, I won't approve of any of these but my disapproval is biased by how I feel in such situ...

To me, consciousness is the ability of the mind, the ability to experience. The mind however has another ability, namely the ability to cause as well....

I already mentioned the problem within Kant's argument, first formulation. I am currently reading this article on Hume's argument on the topic. The ar...

What is the argument for that?

Hi Bob Ross. Are you going to reply to my objections here?

By whom? A person who is hungry and steals food does not think so. And where is the argument for that?

Accepting stealing as permissible negates the right of having a property, not the ability to have a property. A person could be politically, socially,...

Ok, let's focus on his first formulation of categorical imperative since the second formulation is derived from the first one. From Wiki: "The moral p...

No, they are different. Liking a rose is another feature of our experience. As I mentioned in another thread, feeling and reason, are two fundamental ...

Correct. I mentioned that moral facts are a set of facts that we can derive from whether an action is right or wrong. Because I think that morality ca...

It is what it is and you cannot deny it. It is the group decision that makes something right or wrong. I am not saying that it is objectively right or...

You experience that the rose is red. The redness is a feature of your experience. That is what I am trying to say. I think it is off-topic to discuss ...

I am open to discussion. I am however wondering how could one conclude that morality is objective when s/he accepts that the features of our experienc...

We are on the same page when you think morality is subjective.

Very correct. :up: