Fire Ologist

So what am I getting wrong with you? Why are you arguing with me? Do you think supertasks can be completed? Do you think there is “finishing” in an in...

Ok, so supertasks can’t be completed. Did you think I was saying anything to the contrary? And supertasks didn’t come up until later in the post and r...

I’m just trying to get to one minute with you, step down the first step. The concept of the “super task” is not essential to anything I’m saying. Is t...

I am not going to add confusion and complexity to this by starting to discuss “super tasks”. I do not claim it is possible to complete this task. “Tas...

THERE IS NO AFTER WE FINISH PUSHING THE BUTTON!! We are supposed to be pushing the button at half of the prior interval. This is infinite. If you end ...

I think you mean between 22:00 and 23:00, assuming the two minute mark is 0:00. Why do you need to redefine the premises? We are getting nowhere over ...

But no state being consistent with the premises doesn’t create a contradiction. At two minutes, the lamp becomes a duck and flies away. That doesn’t c...

This is different than the theoretical potential person that is discussed pre-procreation. In the above scenario, not knowing the identity of the part...

Leontiskos methodically demonstrates that antinatalism turns on the premise that, if there is any human suffering, there is enough suffering to justif...

No. My argument is if there are no humans around there are no ethics around. Your argument is if the ethics is antinatalism, there would be no humans ...

Because as you said “Ethics is present because humans are around.”

That’s what I was saying about the lamp a couple weeks ago and you were disagreeing with me and telling me how time works and how lamps work. If we ar...

As a side note, you’ve proven that reasoning with you about how infinity works is a supertask. Now this conversation can resume towards its ever ever-...

You didn’t really address this: “The fact that the ethics, summarized as anti-natalism, arises in the human race means the human race must exist for t...

Being human (or maybe any being with senses) entails suffering. Human beings are inherently ethical beings - the beings whereby ethics exist in the un...

I don’t disagree with any of your post (which I quote from below.). Good stuff. Which means I also agree with this: I also see the following: Ownershi...

Curious if you agree with the thrust here but for different reasons. Although I wouldn’t pull the lever, I don’t think we precisely agree on the reaso...

How can we call it “sensory” then? It’s unsourced data that we call “sensory, but not by any causal connection to anything in particular). Sense incor...

The greatest hope I see to conquer our insanity is the fact that there was a man like Jesus, and he didn’t own anything, so maybe you are right.

But if the reason to promote antinatalism now while there is humanity is that It is the ethical thing, and its goal is no humans, then “No humanity, n...

Says it all for me on this question. Anti-natalism doesn’t save anyone in particular from suffering. We are not doing anyone any good by not procreati...

Ownership isn’t the problem. Getting rid of owning things to make the world better is like getting rid of things to make the world better. We need foo...

I’d say fate is the future looking portion of determinism, where determinism includes all past causes, present states of affairs and controls all futu...

And if all of them were innocent, one should not take hand in killing innocent life by pulling the lever so one would have to let the five die. Is tha...

I appreciate that answer. In this case, would you have a duty to save more lives, and that’s why you would pull the lever, or does it matter that the ...

So, now factoring in intent, if one refuses to pull the lever because one will never willingly kill an innocent person, they are acting morally; and i...

Isn’t there an argument that by pulling the lever you are landing the trolley in the area with the fewest people? Under a general duty to cause as few...

I agree there is an absolute law that killing an innocent person is never permissible. The reason killing an innocent person is wrong is because of th...

We all realize that people have thought society would collapse into fighting factions and utter destruction for most of human history. And to combat t...

Could you say the person standing on the track has forfeited his life? I mean, we all know to stay off the trolley tracks. Does that person have any d...

That sums it up. It highlights the distinctions between people dying, and people killing people. But it leaves no room for a distinction between peopl...

I read the paper. Liked it. Agree with it. Think I am speaking in line with much of it. Much better example of the situation with the tyrant killing f...

Can you lay out the reason it is ethical right to pull the lever, or not pull the lever? You said you would not pull the lever because then you would ...

I feel like you just pulled a lever on me. Honest conversation over here.

What’s wrong with the doctrine of double effect? But I don’t really know what that is. “What was your intention?” “I thought if I pulled the lever I w...

No I’m not! If we are supposed to think that no one set this up, that it is just one of life’s predicaments that we get to decide, then we are further...

Well, actually, I would not pull the lever either. Because by pulling the lever I would be demonstrating my willingness to participate in the whole sc...

You may be right on something I said and meant to say. I’m not sure I agree I was wrong. But my simple point is, you need a duty in place before you c...

No it’s not almost certainly, because it’s not the premise at all. I’m saying sitting still doesn’t reveal an intention, you have to seek more facts (...

The same way they would in a communal society. You don’t think anyone can learn of unselfishness in any society?

I’m not against augmenting the facts to continue the conversation and add more layers. I’m saying that as it initially stands, the hypo has very few l...

Exactly. You don’t have infinity any more anywhere in the whole scenario if you want to talk about 2 seconds and what happens at 2 seconds or after. W...

I don’t see it as a bit-pick. It’s a massive game changer. If there is any ownership (which I can’t see avoiding) then there is no need or possibility...

I think the question the hypo poses is: should the person who either pulls the lever or sits still be held responsible for anyone’s death? And the ans...

I’m not a consequentialist. And I agree that the trolley hypo in general doesn’t account for intention and responsibility, so it misses the mark as a ...

Then why not have kids. Life is good too.

Having a child, feeding a child, etc. are as much making a decision for someone else as deciding not to have a child, or aborting a child. If it is go...

We all have to be born and have to live before we can stumble upon the idea of anti-natalism. Seems self-defeating to think much of it. Trying to subv...

Maybe take a philosophy class. Night class. It’s a win/win opportunity. Could be cheaper than the sites Outlander found too.