AmadeusD

Where do you get off the train? (meaning, at what point do you hit the 'its now a futile endeavour' line in your enquiry?)

I do not agree. It’s a fictional sentence referring to nothing and so does not carry truth (is my take). What supports your contention that it's true?...

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all “alien” refers to is non-human, non-Earthbound life forms. All of those elements have direct referents which we almalgamate. But noting the issue ...

Fair enough. Maybe we can revisit someone when I come up with a more apt way of explaining the distinction I see. Really appreciate the exchange :chee...

I reject that. Moral truths are necessarily attendant to the world in which we live. They must refer.

How are you accounting for all of the exceptions?

mathematical facts are not moral facts. What possible morals exist a priori?

Your response seems to boil down to this - some labels are ill-defined. If the scientific fact is that tree is ill-defined, then yes, sure. That doesn...

My understanding is this isn't likely - it's known - scots and Irish immigrants used the novel grains in the new world to make whiskies and literally ...

For clarity, I reject the suggestion in your post. But im very interested in what could constitute a reason to revise a moral 'fact'?

This doesn't get me anywhere unfortunately. I still see absolutely no justification for the claim unless one relies on revelation in some form. I can'...

Arent facts derived from states of affairs, rather than consist in them?

Fwiw, i felt the same - though, the underlying idea is probably close to my experience.

Not my mind, but I recognize the difficulty in clearly delineating and may well end up conceding, so take the following as my muddling through intuiti...

I would say this is true for objects which are customary, rather than symbolic (i.e 'table' is customary, 'tree' is symbolic)

Thank you; good question. To my mind, that fact of any object being 'wood' is a fact about the object's constitution, not it's identity. The object wo...

Not the case. I don't subscribe to any objective morals or ethics, currently. However, I am green to this type of 'proper' argumentation so please fee...

Well, the statement, taken as a state of affairs, floats freely with no grounding. It references two states of affairs and then makes a judgment on th...

:up: Fully agreed.

I genuinely cannot understand how you've concluded this. I have, more than once, outlined the problem of a 'table' being an objective demarcation - an...

I don't understand how that description provides an escape from being subjective? Wide-spread acceptance of a custom doesn't make it an objective fact...

I think we can make some ground between us here - I've never seen a similar claim. Granted, i'm likely far less experienced in exploring academic posi...

"One ought not harm others". Its a judgment, not a state of affairs. But i've just realised we've been over this :cry:

But the statement is an opinion, not universally held.

Correct. I believe the only real, universal legal restriction on naming is Bourbon - which has to have been distilled in the USA, for at least three y...

I referenced your distinction between Highland and Speyside... I'm well aware of hte distinctions and legal requirements for whiskey, whisky and bourb...

Are you suggesting that what is necessarily an opinion, not universally held, is a brute fact, with this statement?

My problem with almost all attempts to establish moral facts. That one believes in a state of affairs as such, doesn't make it the case. Flat Earthers...

I'm unsure why you're making the distinction. It serves no legal purpose and doesn't inform in any meaningful way the characteristics of the whisky (i...

I look forward to the antics

that’s one wild leap you’ve made

the original Rare Cask, Sherry Oak Double cask 12 year, Macallan Amber and Oscuro

Interesting. All four bottles I own bite “Highland Single Malt Scotch Whiskey” in bold lettering on the front of the label. How interesting…. My Glenf...

I'm standing back from this then. I can't get on with this type of disguised motive.

The number of posts similar to this, is what im talking about. | Equivocating, essentially saying "Yeah, but..." at every turn. Justifying. It's harsh...

I am pretty disturbed by the sheer number of defenses of a terrorist attack targeting civilians throughout the thread. Other discussion has been incre...

I'm sure you can appreciate that this is not always true in terms of normative values. There are certainly situations in which harm (for instance to p...

I always assume it's a Ron Swanson thing these days... Am i right? LOL I'm a highland man myself. Macallan and Glenfarclas

Anyone else a scotch person? (scotch.... Not Scottish).

As other's have said, this makes no sense. What are you taking reality to be, in which this dance occurs? It's nonsensical to posit objects without a ...

It does not. If you're not arguing from logic, then a rebuttal cannot be one in logic. That's the claim being made about your position. It isn't a log...

I think it goes further. It's subjective in the sense that it is an artificial label upon something that has no conformity to the label other than in ...

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Perhaps i'm not seeing what you are.. But this seems a bit askance from what i said London is a piece of naming, not a piece of land. As is table viz....

Sorry, hasty response there. Objectively true. I thought i had delineated between 'table' which would be subjective in some sense, with 'table made of...

I'm not coming to that conclusion at all. London exists as an abstract concept applied by custom to a plot of land. For someone to know London is wher...

In the sense I'm ascertaining, there's a stark difference. In this second case, I would say yes. 'wood' is merely a symbol for a state of affairs (tha...

Apologies to all if i drop out - I am working and trying to reply between bits of work. Will try to rekindle later on if that happens.

How could it not be subjective, if it's literally a made-up, artificial, arbitrary, only-exists-in-minds-of-those-who-accept-it demarcation? The fact ...