In this thread @"Michael" is playing moral skeptic. The point is that Moore is interested in goodness and indirectly interested in naturalism. Even if...
I am an essentialist, but my concern here is that even if we found the magical formula for goodness, @"Michael" would immediately, given his approach ...
Okay, thanks. But see my post <here>. Moore's reductionist critique was met with supervenience theories of good (e.g. Hare). Your OP ignores the fact ...
You can't manage to answer a three-step syllogism and you expect me to believe you have a degree in philosophy? When it comes down to it all you are a...
- You remind me of a Biblical fundamentalist who only accepts the KJV. You have your sacred Wikipedia and SEP along with your idiosyncratic interpreta...
No it's not, and I just gave you an argument for why. Are you able to address arguments? According to Hedonism one ought pursue pleasure and avoid pai...
According to basic ethical theories, such as hedonism, they have normative value. Given that the normative value of pain and pleasure are not the obje...
As far as I can tell this is just a streak of non-cognitivism, but let's look at your reasoning. But they aren't. The natural sciences do not study pa...
It's very odd to talk about the "practical implication" of truth. When a human being makes a decision of any kind—moral or otherwise—they always do so...
Can you aim at something that you can't miss? If I can't miss then I sure don't need to aim. To aim at a target implies that one could miss. Yes, but ...
"If CO2 emissions are causing a severe acceleration in global warming and I believe that CO2 emissions are causing a severe acceleration in global war...
Can there be success without the possibility of failure? Error is a difficult concept in general. When someone finishes a math problem they think they...
If morality is doing what one thinks is best for oneself in the moment, and everyone always does what they think best for themselves in the moment, th...
The idea is that, if morality is doing what is best for oneself, then one can act immorally (err morally) if they fail to do what is best for themselv...
I'd say, "Don't hate the player, hate the game." The U.S. legal system is inherently agonistic, where the judge plays a more passive role than would h...
Right. There is an interesting exchange on this very topic between two groups of philosophers. See my post on a different forum for links to the three...
The question of whether all 'oughts' pertain to punishment and reward is interesting (), but the more fundamental question at play is whether there ar...
Is rationality different for me and for you? When you provide an argument you are assuming a common standard of rationality, and you are assuming that...
In the same post you quoted from I also said, "(although not everyone on each side agrees with one another about the nature of the moral proposition)....
Yes. Once the thin film of the thread is peeled away all that remains are utterly strange moral assumptions that are continually reasserted. It doesn'...
Nope. Banno and I are moral realists who recognize that moral truths have an effect via belief. Actually I would say that all moral realists believe t...
Truths have an effect on the world by being known by minds, and this is especially true with moral truths. You and @"Michael" are attempting to speak ...
True. True. True (although not everyone on each side agrees with one another about the nature of the moral proposition). The practical implications ha...
Are moral truths the product of empirical scientific research? Do we go to the physicists with our moral questions? In many ways this whole thread is ...
In that post I was arguing that the intention of the moral realist differs from the intention of the moral non-realist, for the moral realist understa...
The two are connected. Moral realities need to be appropriated by moral subjects, just as scientific realities need to be appropriated by scientific s...
But how could you hold such a thing? The obvious practical implications are 1) how much meat is eaten, and 2) how many animals are harvested. These ar...
I think there are two moral "lanes," one where morality is transcendent and opaque (Kantianism), and another where morality is transparently rational ...
- My post to you in the other thread sort of sums up what I think of your emotion-driven approach (). Those who lead with emotion and are weighed down...
Sure, but I won't bother to do so unless @"Bob Ross" commits himself to your position, namely that there is parity between the rational justification ...
Rational justification doesn't work that way. Propositions are true or false. Conclusions are rationally justified or they aren't. "True for me," or, ...
Eh? If we cannot value ends, then how can we value means? The other problem here is that you do not actually arrive at Kant's maxim. For example: Pres...
I don't think you're a serious interlocutor and I've explained in detail why I am not interested in engaging you. This is a thread about moral subject...
To offer a criticism: why do you think your commandment is perfect? What do you mean by that word, "perfect"? I think your commandment would be helpfu...
Do you actually believe that moral claims are true in virtue of beliefs? That is the question. I don't think you even believe yourself. But, "No one s...
And the point here is that opinions about vanilla ice cream are not moral judgments. That's not a moral judgment, as you just admitted. Your point dep...
Indeed. I think John Searle's paper on the topic is quite good: ' How to derive "ought" from "is" ' (The Philosophical Review, Jan., 1964, Vol. 73, No...
See: The point here, though, is that belief qua belief is insufficient to justify moral claims. Yes, there are arguments from authority. But such a th...
Thanks, I agree. I've lost the thread of this thread, and that's probably for the best. :grin: In any case, good posts in this thread. :up: I am reluc...
I was arguing that it is not coherent. No one would ever say, "Oh, well if you believe it, then I surely must accede." The moral realist will say that...
But “Vanilla ice cream tastes good,” is nothing like, “One ought not torture babies.” Only from the latter can we infer something about what is permis...
The problem with @"Michael"’s approach is that it disregards one’s responsibility to argue for a coherent moral theory and not contradict oneself. Mic...
You are projecting your "gotcha" mentality onto others. This was not a joke. Michael freely admits that his moral theory contains unresolved contradic...
No, it refers to what Jane believes to be permissible, omissible, or obligatory. There is a crucially significant difference. From, "Jane believes X,"...
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