I think Fooloso's approach discourages people from reading Plato, and that's unfortunate.* The "showmanship" I spoke of is a kind of contrarian polemi...
- Good post, but I don't see any of that as controversial, and I have no reason to believe that Burnyeat would demur. For example, the paragraphs I ga...
No, not necessarily. Medical procedures often do not require consent when the person in question is not capable of consent. In questions of moral admo...
Peter Simpson uses this question as a jumping-off point for his essay, "On Doing Wrong, Modern-Style." He encountered the doctrine very often in his c...
I don't think incurring guilt necessarily involves bad motives. Using a knife to injure another person and using guilt to injure another person are bo...
Okay, I will let yours be the last word. Thanks for the interesting conversation. But let me elaborate on this: Here is Simpson's rendering: Aristotle...
...My difficulty with @"Fooloso4"'s Plato is fairly simple. I think Plato is a great philosopher and an unparalleled pedagogue, and Fooloso ends up ma...
I say not that no one is doing their best, but rather that not everyone is always doing their best. Again: Also from my last, in an edit: It is the di...
No, for Burnyeat Strauss' problem is a kind of dogmatism combined with showmanship or privileged insight, and for me the critique would simply need to...
I think you are deceiving yourself in claiming that your personal attacks were unrelated to the argument at hand, I think it is no coincidence that yo...
If everyone is doing the best they can at each moment of their life then no one is responsible for anything, and therefore it is entirely backwards to...
I think the answer would have something to do with Plato's insistence that it is better to suffer injustice than to do injustice, and that the man who...
I would simplify this a bit. I would say that the opposite of disappointment is the exceeding of expectations, and these two rise or fall together as ...
And more broadly, direct appeals to conscience and the like tend to go hand in hand with a refusal to justify ones beliefs and/or actions. The opacity...
- I think @"Count Timothy von Icarus" is already arguing that perspective. I was just pointing him to a corroborating source. I assume that some who h...
Yes, I see it is paywalled now. I read it a number of years ago. It is a critique of Strauss' convoluted and inaccessible interpretations of Plato, an...
On the contrary, you haven't even attempted to respond to the argument that Banno gave. Setting out your ideas and then refusing to address counterarg...
You sort of do, given that this is a philosophy forum and all: Because this is a philosophy forum, not your private diary. You wrote a whole thread on...
Banno is right. What you are proposing is not normative in any way, and therefore it has nothing to do with morality. "Do whatever feels right to you,...
- The problem is that you are again unduly limiting the scope of interaction. From earlier: So let's go with this more philosophically precise notion ...
- This is a worthy critique, but has already implied that if your "intrinsic nature" recommends serial murder then you should go ahead and be a serial...
Assange seems problematic at best. A very mixed character. One could argue that he did some good, but I don't think it is any longer possible to dismi...
You've said that "my actions will be in accordance with the guidance of my intrinsic nature, my heart if you will," and the ambiguity comes with the t...
- You can multiply examples of misused blame and judgment all day, just as I can multiple examples of misused knives all day. Neither one of us would ...
- This is a good post, and I think you make some good points, but I think it is stretching these points too far to say that everyone must always be tr...
When you or @"Joshs" talk about guilt in this way it is much the same as claiming that a tool such as a knife is inherently evil, and imputing bad mot...
- Okay, I am going to start moving away from this thread now. We can try to tie up some of the loose ends as best as possible... Le1: To indirectly in...
The modern mind seems to always be saying, "Well, yeah, but that's not morality, that's ." This is a Kantian move, and the problem is that the person ...
Good points. :up: Yep. Right. :up: Right: many seem to confuse themselves with Moore's Open Question. As I put it elsewhere: As I understand it, Jorda...
Perhaps this is all true according to one or another Protestant development of Augustine, but I would want to distinguish that tradition from the "Chr...
Thanks Paine. It always takes me awhile to get to these because they require more effort than the average TPF posts. Okay. Isn't philosophy important?...
I think @"Wayfarer" has been making good points. The Watergate scandal and the related film that Wayfarer has mentioned is one example ("The Post"). I...
- The whole premise that leaking classified documents never results in government action just seems prima facie naive. If your article is to be believ...
This is an understatement. Biden had a great deal of trouble filling two minutes without a teleprompter. I don't know who is running the country, but ...
- I've been told that Biden would rather go down fighting than walk away. Clearly the better choice from the standpoint of legacy, common good, and pe...
- I don't know that I would say that the Democrats have gambled. I think it has been out of their hands. As you say, there have been efforts to get hi...
Democrats seem to be in the midst of a post-debate meltdown. It will be interesting to see if they can actually convince Biden to walk away from the n...
The difference for me is that when a large media corporation decides to publish in a way that is strongly contrary to government interests, they are p...
Okay, thanks. Sure, so in that quote I used "unintended" because Brock's terminology of indirect intention had not yet been brought into the thread. A...
Relatedly, Gyula Klima is someone who has done a lot of work in bringing Medieval Scholasticism to bear on modern and contemporary logic and metaphysi...
What's interesting is that this thread is almost certainly an offspring of your thread on quantifier variance. This is because in that thread a "univo...
Eh, I think I’ve changed my mind again. :lol: As I said earlier, "I accept a relatively uncontroversial form of double effect whereby the unintended e...
See for example: On my lights, ultimately for Przywara neither one will end up being primary. He will basically propose a kind of suspension of the in...
All of the reasons for or against suicide (including "moral" reasons) come up short against the opacity of death. That is, we don't know what happens ...
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