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- It's remarkable how habituated you are to burying your head in the sand.

And therefore in order to understand language we must study something other than language, no? He requires more than language.

Again, here you go: (immediate signification) Now your turn. If you would progress this thread, address the confidence problem.

- Banno, I literally placed an interpretation of your view in quotation marks, a view which I have been critiquing from the start of this conversation...

- So presumably if Alex had possessed more empathy he would have understood what "gavagai" meant? I agree that common ground underlies the scrutabilit...

- Be serious. Stand behind your words.

- You are the one who thinks "we can be pretty damn confident." That was the <whole point>. Are you saying that we can be confident about something th...

- Then you either failed to read or understand the post. Why don't you explain how empathy solves the problem of reference?

So there is no "fact of the matter"* about reference, but we can still know reference through empathy? I'm not sure how that would work, despite the n...

- Sure, but my point is that confidence and the plausibility of Quine's argument are indirectly related. Affirming confidence requires attacking Quine...

- You might think that @"Count Timothy von Icarus" is not taking Quine seriously, but is anyone taking Quine seriously? Is anyone exegeting Quine? Con...

- Your quote is misattributed. You are quoting me, not Count. The important thing here is to set out what one believes Quine's intended conclusion was...

Right, and some postmodernists are dogmatic skeptics even to the extent that their inner demon compels them in this way, "There can be no fact of the ...

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A paper that shows how Medieval Aristotelian logic was in some ways more robust than current logic is Gyula Klima's, "Existence and Reference in Medie...

You think they are just disagreeing over whether an arbitrary set of letters should be correlated to a concept? And that that is what Quine was worrie...

Yep, and if we want to say that this is not a tiger then we are already appealing to the idea of an essence. Folks like to say, "Well, unless you can ...

- Let me try to clear up some of this confusion by quoting from a paper by Gyula Klima, which we could perhaps have a thread on. Why would we change t...

I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts as you read the book, . :up: - Thanks too for your summaries, @"Wayfarer". :up:

This looks like an invalid argument: Socrates and Euthyphro assume there is a word that corresponds correctly with "piety." Therefore, for these men t...

Read my edit above before you do. :nerd:

Edit: I just realized that McDowell's lecture is on a different book by Rödl with a slightly different title: Self-Consciousness and Objectivity (2007...

We don't have to go into this too far. The point is just to think about the manner in which Fregian propositions are being countenanced. The thought1/...

- I am tired of repeating myself as well; tired of asking for arguments rather than dismissals with vague allegations such as "truisms." We can leave ...

Right. That seems like a key point.

I don't have much to offer to this complex problem. What I would say is that we need to hold Islamic groups responsible for Islamic individuals, such ...

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- Sounds good, those are reasonable counterpoints.

Okay. Okay. An example of a real distinction would be the Platonic model where there are real "Fregian" propositions and there are real temporal acts ...

Let me try to cut to the chase a bit. What if Jihadis win the entirety of the judicial placements in the Islamic schools? At which point all of the Is...

- That's fair. I'm just trying to capture the OP's usage in a way that is at least loosely related to the meaning of the words. We can restrict Jihadi...

Right:

Sure, but no one is arguing that Jihad is not religious.

I take it that "religious tolerance" means tolerating religiously motivated acts. So if you do not tolerate the punch in question, then you are not pr...

I'm thinking that we can say that "Jihadism" represents part of the religion of those Muslims who accept and practice Jihad in the "outer" and violent...

Which one? - I don't know why, "Computers don't set their own norms and ends," is not substantive. If this is the premise that "stands without support...

It is unanticipated, but perhaps not unimportant. I have often critiqued that same tendency to reify propositions here on TPF. Aristotle's critique of...

This is how I read something that @"Wayfarer" said. But the funny thing is, I'm not convinced it's a virtue. Or perhaps it is, up to a point. I think ...

Okay, so here is an edit I added: Okay, but is this a real distinction or a mental distinction? Doesn't the event involve leveraging a proposition? We...

- Sure, but they gave substantive reasoning. They didn't say, "Because no state or country recognizes it as such."

What I would say is that it is not a religion because it is not a religion, and this is unrelated to what states or countries recognize. Talking about...

But why think that? Is it only because "religion" gets defined in a way that makes the claim true by definition? "Anything we are intolerant of is by ...

I don't follow the fundamental distinction here. It looks like when a thought occurs as a mental event it will always have a content, and that this co...

I meant to construe that not as a separate thought, but as a part of the thought p. But maybe that is not a very clear way of expressing Rodl's claim.

Yes, that's right, but I don't understand why we are talking about the IRS or the state. Suppose a state has a law against prohibiting the free exerci...

Sort of, but does the "religion" in "religious tolerance" exclude Islamic Jihadis? If so, why? Why is Jihadism not religious?

It may be worth pointing out that this recent tangent on judgment comes not from the OP nor from Rodl's book, but from <an article that Rodl wrote in ...

And at the heart of this what I see happening is that Jihadists transgress the basic dogma of secularism, which is that the power of coercion/force be...

Yes, of course they claim that. But do they claim that the one who is intolerant of Jihadists is still practicing religious tolerance? I think my orig...