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is that a thought about the external world?

the content of thoughts can and should be doubted, at least as far as they pertain to thoughts about the external world. Obviously there are some thou...

I guess I missed the full extent of everything he said. I didn't realise he was hoping for their extinction, what a bizarre idea.

I generally agree with this. Of course I also agree that there's a limit to that. I think most people agree that there's a limit to what kind of speec...

is the workshop free? Do you have a link to anything explaining how to join that?

dynamic knowledge aka "we're doing the best we can, and according to the best we can, this seems right right now". Honestly yeah, I don't think there'...

If people are saying determinism is compatible with randomness, they're doing something extremely strange. Wikipedia lists randomness as "an extreme a...

You said it's your term. Now you're saying it's "very much used that way". My head's spinning. Which is it? Is it in common use or is it your term? Ig...

What style of reasoning is it? I just think he's (a) trying to name a concept that already has sufficient names, and (b) naming it in a misleading and...

Ah, I don't think javra was assuming you're just making the term and the meaning of it up. I agree with @javra that calling such a concept "determinis...

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're talking about buddy.

this thread started because corvus was applying denying the antecedent like it was a general rule. He even gave an explicit example in his first few p...

Sorry for butting in, but if I'm reading this conversation between you and javra correctly (and I'm not at all confident I am, I would love to be corr...

if there isn't a reason for something that happens, it's random. So if I ask "why did this happen?" and there's an explanation for why it happened, "i...

You've presented such a bonkers idea that I don't even know where to start. I'm going to pass.

So freedom is only when you choose things that you don't have reasons to choose? Wowza, what a wild conception of free will.

ok

interesting comic.

eh? can you please be specific?

(probably shouldn't say "literally never", i did used to be a hard determinist. i haven't said anything like that in this thread.)

I have literally never said anything like that at all.

I'm saying people experience their choices as being related to the state of themselves, as opposed to unrelated. The ice cream they choose isn't rando...

you experience your choice following from the state of you, including your desires and wants, which is part of the state of everything. You don't expe...

Yeah, exactly, so in a choice there's no randomess, the choice follows naturally from the preceding state of everything (which of course includes the ...

Not necessarily that either. You can still have choices, it's just that your choices follow from... well, follow from YOU, follow from the state of yo...

"already decided beforehand"... mmm... kinda yes kinda no. Not "decided". Not "beforehand". Not necessarily. It just means that the outcome follows fr...

That's very debatable. My experience of my decision making process doesn't feel like it involves randomness, and I understand randomness to be the alt...

"type of free will". Not all free will, just some types. That's why I used the word "type"

I interpret it to be a strong argument against any type of free will which opposes itself to determinism. If you say "free will requires determinism t...

I always thought the T in JTB was weird. I mean it makes sense, but then it makes Knowledge just as inaccessible as Truth itself. We only have access ...

To go into more detail on why the PSR can't hold if Bob 2 does something different from Bob 1: First of all, I recognize that my take on the PSR that ...

I want to make it clear that I'm not trying to be unfair or silly with that. I'm a programmer. In programming, a function can be deterministic or not....

The PSR doesn't hold if Bob 1 and Bob 2 do different things.

I personally don't think what you've described is fundamentally different from causal inevitability. I consider your distinction to be a word game. My...

Imagine the universe in a snow globe. Imagine 2 snow globes, one in each hand. In your left hand, it's a lot like this universe, but where a random-co...

There's plenty of conceptual things that are deterministic that have nothing to do with anything physical. There are plenty of conceptual things that ...

you say your concept isn't determined because things are teleologically determined, not causally determined. To me it's just 6 of one, half dozen of t...

It seems that, at least for some flavours of libertarianism, this is the case. And this is really the crux. I believe it's tautologically the case tha...

nothing i've said is pro- or contra- substance dualism. I don't care about it either way. It just seems completely orthogonal to any point I've made.

Do you have something to say other than just bare contrarianism? If not then yeah, probably.

well too bad

I don't pretend to perfectly know how reality works, which is why I'm agnostic about if pieces of reality may be a bit random. Quantum mechanics could...

of course it is. But you said "something cannot be...". Something can be

ok well I can write a program of Conway's game of life that's mostly deterministic and a little bit random so I guess I'll just go with that and stick...

I have no idea whether or not anything, in reality, is determined or random. I do have an idea, however, that the processes by which things happen are...

So you said physical means stuff that exists, but now you're saying that's not correct, and physical means something else?

ok well it's the type of libertarianism in question here, since that's what it means for something to be "indeterministic". It means given the same ex...

Deterministic and random Is different from Deterministic or random "And" and "or" are two very extremely different words

you said physical means stuff that exists. But then you said you differentiate physical from the mind. So the mind doesn't exist?

What I notice is that, repeatedly and imo inexplicably, you keep on talking about "physical" this and "physical" that in reply to my posts, but I don'...