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And that is as worthy a motivation for pursuing this as any other. It seems somewhat akin to a sentence like "Throw the ball." The subject of the sent...

Ok. Well, Human languages are much more complex than any non-human language that we are aware of. With them, we can discuss things, and kinds of thing...

I can understand what you're saying. I differentiated different kinds of thoughts, in regards to baseball. What is the significance of it all? Is this...

I don't know what you mean by power. I can't imagine anything about them I'd use that word for.

Yeah, I meant can I understand that idea fairly quickly, in order to be able to continue reading. As opposed to what?? Never heard the phrase. I wonde...

Do I have to read much (books? paragraphs? posts?) to learn what this means? It seems that you start off disagreeing with me, and end up agreeing. Cer...

Hehe

"Are you that baby's father?" "I think I am." I know that's not what you meant. I just couldn't resist. :grin:

Seeing words can make us think of things, and kinds of things, no other visual experience can. Things that wouldn't exist but for language. Rhyming, f...

I am a mobile phone user. I can just holds the o, and it gives me options. ô ö ò ó œ ø ? õ Honestly, I don't know what you folks are saying half the t...

I find it interesting that Claude finds it interesting. Well, I mean... Hehe

Yes. Any number of people, none of whom know each other, can, all at different times, be rendered unconscious and taken to the same place, a place whi...

I didn't realize the intent of this thread was to discuss the topic only in relation to Rödl's book.

It is relevant, because, if an animal that either has no sense of self, or has a sense of self but no thought of self, can think anything along the li...

Ok, my example wasn't good enough to make my point. "The leaves are falling from the tree, and the temperature of the surface of the Earth's core is e...

I agree. And I disagree with myself. :rofl: To wit:I've literally never thought about these things before, so I don't have a solid position. I came to...

Someone recently told me about Noesis and Noema. I have only started reading it, but I think it's relevant?

Am II right that a cat can think about the tree, but cannot think about thinking about the tree?

And you pointed out that it is (what might be called?) a compound lower level thought.

And then there's the added "I think..." Which raises it to a different (what I'm calling) level. Whereas "the oak tree is shedding its leaves" is a co...

So then is the question "Can you think A and B at the same time?" rather than "Can you be A and B at the same time?"? A cat is thinking about the leav...

Indeed. Well said.

Of course it's questionable. If outside reality didn't exist, we wouldn't have ways of sensing it.

From The Fabric of Reality: The Science of Parallel Universes - and Its Implications, by David Deutsch.

Certainly not on this forum. :grin:

The first translation of the Tao Te Ching I ever saw was Gia-Fu Feng and Jane English. I read it very heavily, memorizing a quarter of it, before ever...

I think it was made for tv, and you might be thinking it was an episode or two. Awesome scene, where he meets Po for the first time: https://youtu.be/...

Maybe my favorite moment in the Tao Te Ching is the beginning of Verse 37 (Gia-Fu Feng and Jane English translation): I was a huge fan of the Kung Fu ...

So then he doesn't get specific. Which sounds something like in there neighborhood of vague to me. Anyway, I have Mind in Life. I hope to get to it so...

I think we have at least a couple of major differences. Going back to an earlier conversation, I can definitely look at something, and be aware that I...

I think it's a vague way of approaching the issue, and I think it has to be. Part of what Nagel was saying is that we can't understand what it's like ...

I didn't mean those conditions specifically. I just used them as things that are sometimes very different from one person to another. You and I are no...

You and I seem to be very different. :rofl: This isn't the first time our conversation has made me think of things like aphantasia and anaduralia. I d...

Sorry. It was getting late, and I forgot to finish my thoughts. I believe that's what Nagel means. I think "There's something it's likes to be a bat" ...

I believe that's what Nagel means. I think "There's something it's likes to be a bat" means "There's something it feels like to be a bat.". But not a ...

Not necessarily. I don't think subjective experience and self-reflective awareness are the same thing. If there's something it's like to be the entity...

Well, all you say is certainly right. However, can you look at that paragraph of yours that I quoted and write it on paper, or type it, while doing fa...

I plead the 5th. Indeed. I'm sure it can be done to at least some degree, even if not to that which people generally assume. There's definitely a lot ...

I'm sure at least some degree of muscle memory is involved in singing. Even with speaking. Neither as much as playing an instrument, though. Having pl...

I did not try writing what I was speaking so that I would not be wondering that very thing. I also suggest both things be of longer duration than one ...

Neither the title of the thread nor your OP mention God or religion. I thought the idea would be to discuss the concept of omnipotence. I didn't know ...

I don't have to prove my logical inference any more than you have to prove yours. There is no reason to think an omnipotent being cannot choose to cea...

Talking about non-existent deities, and the characteristics people made up for them, is going to get you exactly the same place. Any ideas we come up ...

Do you have any support for this idea?

Of course that's what I'm talking about. I have literally said I'm talking about a hypothetical omnipotent being. I said it twice, in fact. If there w...

I try to test this on myself from time to time. For example, I just wrote "Four score and seven years ago" while singing Yesterday. I sang continuousl...

Yes, that's the real question. I'm just saying you can receive conflicting feelings from your finger simultaneously. I wonder if, if the ice and match...

That's having contradictory feelings in your finger at the same time, not having contradictory thoughts at the same time. If one part of your finger i...

I guess it depends on your definition of God. But I'm not talking about that. I'm taking about whether or not an omnipotent being can commit suicide. ...

I am not talking about any God/god/deity at all. I am speaking about a hypothetical omnipotent being.