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There are two issues here, though. Imagine a person is not acting and still insists, while smiling and laughing, that they are suffering 'excruciating...

Oh, well yes. I agree that we can have warranted beliefs that turn out to be incorrect.

I suppose those born blind don't know anything about color ? Let's ask the latest chatbot.

I'm frankly surprised to hear that claim from you. I thought you were down with Wittgenstein. I don't think you've understood the beetle and box analo...

*********************************** If I say of myself that it is only from my own case that I know what the word "pain" means - must I not say the sa...

You seem to be hinting at truth apart from language, but to me that's a round square. Statements are true sometimes. Or we take them to be true...to e...

It's the grammar of 'pain,' yes, that it tends to belong a particular person. But we don't know from our own experience what it means to be in 'pain.'...

What if we cut out the middle man ? 'Seeing red' is acting accordingly, etc. We wise others decide that you saw red because you stopped at the light. ...

Excellent quote.

:up: Thanks!

I agree you could come up with some context where it makes sense like that , but hopefully you see the point. There's an average kind of use.

I agree that it's private and mental in a certain ordinary sense. But I insist that we have public criteria for when it's correct to assert someone is...

I think philosophers can be too vague (as you mention) and therefore leave us cold. Fear of life and fear of death look to be the same thing. It's lik...

Just want to note that these are nice everyday concepts. 'Conscious' appears as both motte and bailey.

OK. How conscious are the latest famous bots ? Do they have selves ?

I would like to emphasize that you seem to be quoting my paraphrase of another poster in order to correct me. (?) I offered that paraphrase in order t...

If that is so, and I pretty much agree, then it's because concepts are public and their applications are governed by public norms. Brandom's inferenti...

:up: Yes. I feel that drive. When I find a new thinker, it's like when I was kid and me and my friend would find an abandoned house in the woods. Ther...

I think this is a motte and bailey situation, where the motte is the ordinary use of 'pain' and the bailey is the dualistic metaphysical version. http...

Excellent points. Reminds me of someone I've been learning about recently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%B8ren_Kierkegaard Let's say that I liste...

But, respectfully, philosophy isn't the study of your private sensations. It can't be. What you want to say, I think, is that we can be in pain withou...

Yes, that's part of the grammar of the word. And I 'know what you mean.' For me the lifeworld does not exclude that kind of thing. So it's not about d...

:up: Fair enough. But what is this deep curiosity ? Do you have any thoughts on it ? On its source ? Is it good for the species ? Is it innate in us ?...

Science is about power and glory and wonder, a chip off the old block? Is philosophy not the superscience of being or overmetascience or neometatheolo...

So the dead do or do not have consciousness ?

If your pain is radically yours, radically private, then I cannot 'rationally' comment on it at all. It's like talking about a private ineffable walk ...

Neither am I. I don't think 'pure' matter is anymore intelligible than 'pure' mind. We live together in something like a lifeworld with includes claim...

I think your initial response (similar to mine) is elitism, which is just to say good taste. But kids don't like black coffee, and people who are only...

Just to be clear, I think antinatalism is profound. It questions existence itself. It looks down on this great stage of fools like a god.

:up: Just to be clear, I'm saying that we just already have an 'irrational' or 'unjustifiable' urge to expand...and to find and demand justifications ...

I'm glad if you found what you are looking for, and I appreciate your politeness.

Thanks!

:up: Good image!

:up: Also injury, disease, and violence. In general: suffering including humiliation and loss of power.

I think we are largely on the same side on this issue, but I'd say let's not forget that 'mental' is a great word in ordinary talk, same with 'physica...

This is also the advice of 'Solomon.' And Whitman is nice on this: ************************ They do not sweat and whine about their condition, They do...

*********************** All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the...

Ecclesiastes. I don't think Solomon actually wrote it, but it's a nice story. The king who has tasted all pleasure and all knowledge can see through t...

Also expansion and conquest, a forward march without a definite destination. To more go and to more go and to more go.

My central point is that 'metaphysical' consciousness is semantically indeterminate and even paradoxical. The famous beetles and boxes passage suggest...

:up: A great friend or spouse is simply one of the treasures to be had on this little sojourn into the darkness.

Just to be clear, I'm not talking about this kind of skepticism. Instead I'd carefully distinguish between ordinary language that involves consciousne...

I'd say that your interior monologue is still bodily. Technology is being developed that can read your thoughts by little motions in the throat, etc.

I agree with all that you said. I've especially benefited from close friendships where there's enough trust to be radically honest.

I think the problem is here. It's not clear what is meant. You say we have first person experience, but (private) first person experience cannot be us...

Ah yes, a beautiful description of that abyss that terrorized me that night. We usually (if lucky?) find ourselves absorbed in the play of life ('fall...

I suggest a structuralist approach. Imagine a game that is basically Chess but every piece is carved differently and has a different name. Translating...

We pretty much agree here. I imagine that's the point of forms. Even Saussure talked of form. But equivalence classes do the same job with less commit...

I think Frege was right about that (relative) independence. The sameenough idea can be put in lots of sentences in the same language or in some other ...

:up: Right. And it also frees others to speak honestly. I think it's connected to what teachers sometimes say: there are no stupid questions. The poin...