I'm sorry I wasn't clear. The idea was to suggest an example that might have been an embedded belief, but wasn't, as a way of exploring the boudaries,...
It would be very helpful if there was a way of encouraging people to try to acknowledge and confront biases and subconscious conditioning. Many/most p...
It depends what counts as useful, what goals one has in mind. Or there is the point that common life often attributes beliefs in circumstances when th...
:smile: Well, how about starting with this:- Starting with two observations:- First, our ways of talking about actions constitute a language game, a p...
I agree that there is a problem about that, and that it is annoying. I suppose it is inevitable that philosophers who believe that philosophy is all a...
Reading this discussion has been an interesting and instructive experience. I hope I won't be messing up the discussion if I add some comments. Philos...
OK. But that assumes some kind of continuous monitoring, doesn’t it? Pantagruel said something similar somewhere in the discussion. Well, to me, that ...
I hesitate to add to your discussion which is difficult enough already. But perhaps it has got to the point where there is not much to lose. You seem ...
I am asking whether the initiation of action goes like this, at least sometimes: - (Act of Will) leads to (Reasoning) leads to (Act of Will) leads to ...
I'm not sure that I can be described as using or misusing my own will, because that implies an act of will as the beginning of the act of will, which ...
If we focus too closely on the idea of will - pure or not - we will simply circle round the mystery. If we explore allied topics, we will get a better...
Intervention by someone else may or may not be helpful. But one can at least try. There are great differences in the determination that people display...
Aren't you forgetting that God loves us (at least the Christian God does - I don't know enough about the other candidates), even though that's an inco...
Thanks very much for your explanation. It seems to me that is close to my approach, though I can't describe how it all fits together clearly. "Of that...
I do understand and share the difficulty you have in fitting in the demands or ordinary life alongside pursuing philosophy. They explain why I sometim...
No problem. Thanks for your reply. "Report" implies that we are talking to someone other than the farmer. So we report in the first way. If we were ta...
I used to think like you, but then I looked it up in a dictionary which clearly suggested two senses of justification. Statistics - If something is 95...
I'm not sure what the point of constructing another Gettier example would be. There are, I understand, 100 or more examples to be found in the literat...
I see your point. But there's an issue about how far philosophy needs to cater for ordinary use of words. For example, I have no doubt that someone wh...
I'm sorry, I just posted in reply to you but omitted to include a "reply to" But let me add a comment on Yes, I think I contradict myself in my accoun...
I'm sorry, I thought the causal theory of perception was about what actually caused the perception and that what the perceiver thought was the cause w...
Gettier certainly knew what he was talking about, if he was talking about logic. The question is, how far is formal logic relevant to this. IMO, forma...
I believe he was. He does seem to have developed that sense of mischief that some logicians have. But there is some fun to be had, as well as the irri...
I agree with Srap Tasmaner. X's belief that C is true is not justified because P1 is false. But you only take account of conclusive justification. The...
(Srap Tasmaner) I think you are identifying the right problems, but I would suggest rather different solutions. I’m not happy with the causal theory o...
@creativesoul There certainly seems to be a problem about the farmer’s belief that a piece of cloth is a cow. You seem to be assuming that in reportin...
I see the story about Ronald Reagan as ironical in the first sentence, but if you consider the whole story, it isn't. The second similarly - the first...
Yes, it probably is wiser to suspect rather than believe. But it is the farmer to suspect or not, not us, and if the farmer decides to believe, it's u...
I don't have any serious problem with your suggestions. Since I'm suggesting a way that you could better reformulate your point, I think it's up to yo...
In a sense, yes. (Though I seem to remember that Gettier bothers to tell us whether Smith has ten coins in his pocket.) But this irony is not fundamen...
On truth I’m sorry. I didn’t put my point clearly enough. I certainly did mean what I said that truth is discovered. On “justify”, “believe”, “know” I...
Agreement in philosophy is not easy to achieve, which makes it all the more satisfactory. Sadly, it means that I need to find a new thread, though, as...
A persuasive argument. However, You are right that what is at stake is the meanings of "belief", "justification" and "knowledge". But that just means ...
The question of context is obviously very important in all this. It seems to me that two important features of the context are the probability of bein...
Yes, it is a reasonable argument. I didn’t pay attention to the point that if S is justified in believing that p, S is justified in asserting that p. ...
I agree that But I don't quite understand why you say it is humanly impossible. It seems to me self-contradictory to assert "I believe that p and it i...
I’ve read all your posts and I think you’ll find replies or reactions in what follows. I would like to explain why I said that the mistake is to answe...
I'm sorry I wasn't very clear. Some people think that there is no knowledge in Gettier cases, but that there is justified true belief. Hence they conc...
I agree with you that it is strange that so many people think that Gettier is important. But somehow the problem gets under one's skin. I think it's b...
Excuse me joining this so late in the day. I wasn't a member nine months ago. I certainly don't agree that the Gettier problem is solved by relativism...
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