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It's nice to not be alone in recognizing the language trap. Once seen, the whole thing is weird.

I like the simulations involving rain you linked to. It's a bit like the p-zombie thing, with the truth-making thing-in-itself revealed as a kind of X...

The grammar or norm for truth is pretty weird and might deserve its own thread. The difference seems like that between a 'real' person and arbitrarily...

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But not knowing what we mean or how we could establish what we mean seems problematic. I claim that the concept is elusive by definition. Given any po...

I agree that a metaphysical grammar has indeed been invented, adjacent to but different from the ordinary grammar. I claim that that grammar leads to ...

The criteria for applying those concepts are public, else we could not learn them, and it would be pointless to engage in philosophy. To be sure, a th...

Broadly, I'm trying to show that the metaphysical version of the private mind is broken (or at least useless), despite its initial plausibility. I don...

A few more quotes: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ryle/#EpiSemCom

This Ryle quote probably makes the point I'm trying to make better than I can. https://antilogicalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/concept-of-mind.p...

I think the issue is that what they are trying to deny can't be said, isn't clear...apart from some vague addition to the qualities that tend to be as...

The (metaphysical) 'private mind' seems to function like a variable. It's by definition (grammatically) a black box with contents radically hidden fro...

In some cases, clarifying the situation may lead to our no longer being interested in resolving an issue or no longer finding that project meaningful ...

Thanks. I agree that we must hold some things relatively steady, such as the concepts we apply. I still think Popper's system is pretty solid though.....

For a long time folks tended to think of real numbers as magnitudes or the lengths of lines. Squaring x was actually drawing a square. 'Quadrature' wa...

I think this one connects pretty well to the OP. This seems close to Popper, but with a rough spot left unfixed. The talk of experience linked with st...

I don't want to derail the thread with a tangent (and maybe it's not such a digression), but... This seems to depend a bit much on the ghost story (in...

:up: Yeah, like flipping directions of travel. It's just convention which direction we pick out with the minus sign (like picking which side of the ro...

Is there a big difference ? Haven't looked into Searle's theory. I just speculate that it's some kind of post-foundational holism ?

Sure. No issue there. We are playing with concepts, discussing discussion, what makes sense, what needs proof and doesn't. Good stuff.

I see no need to prove the existence of sense-organs. I think we can and must and do take lots of things for granted. Philosophy is ideally presupposi...

Oh I wasn't complaining. I was just explaining my motives for playing the parlor game.

These great philosophers are a mixture of genius and absurdity. We can still learn from them, but absurd implications are evidence against their syste...

So the sense-organs are maybe sense-impressions too? Do you see the issue ?

I agree. For all the but the mentally ill, it's just a game. I'd probably not bother discussing it at this point were it not adjacent to some themes t...

Right. Popper's idea of basic statements is the best version of this I've seen. The 'foundation' lots of claims that are taken relatively for granted,...

:up: I don't object to far out ideas. Solipsism is implicit, I guess, in Hume and Kant. Any philosopher that tries to construct the world from sensati...

I'm trying to point out that the very notion of proof already drags in a social setting and a language and a world that one can be right or wrong abou...

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A philosophy forum is not a bad place to start looking. The idea is to understand the meaning of concepts primarily through the way we offer and deman...

There's got to be a world with other people in it for concepts like 'true' and 'false' and 'incoherent' to make any sense. The non-self is that about ...

I can't be sure, but perhaps this quote is aimed against finding so much of metaphysics to be a mere debate about usage....because it's such a gray an...

:up: :up: I take 'faith' as a failed metaphor in this case. It's like what's wanted is some synonym for position or relatively settled belief...but th...

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Thanks! It seems the conversation and therefore/also its participants become richer and more complex, more self-referential, glutted like Shakespeare ...

'External reality' means (roughly) that about which one might be deceived. The possibility of deception on this matter is also its impossibility.

? I'm sincerely trying to show you why I think the claim is incoherent, experimenting with different approaches and metaphors.

Why would a blob of everything call itself a me and not a Tuesday or a trombone ? What could such a blob of everything mean by true or false, reality ...

My view is that we are bound by common, public norms in the application of concepts (these seem to be caught up in rules that license inferences). I d...

I don't deny the value or coherence of the distinction in ordinary value. I imagine we both know pretty well how to use it, like when it'd be shady to...

I don't think we need to embrace that thesis. I do find it plausible that languages start with public objects and evolve by means of metaphors and oth...

I think we are making progress. I disagree with that conception of meaning. If there were really no public criteria, rationality would be impossible. ...

My objection is that you seem to imply that 'mind' somehow has a public meaning while simultaneously rejecting every public criterion for its detectio...

It's not just Wittgenstein. It's Sellars and Popper and Brandom and Hegel and Feuerbach and surely many others. Thinking is essentially public. The te...

I see no need for reduction. It's just concepts can't and don't mean whatever we think they mean individually. Their are norms that govern their appli...

I think we both understand them fine, and for me that's a point against what I call the ghost story. To be clear, I don't deny 'raw feels' and the res...

As I see it, the privacy/immateriality of the mind, understood in a certain way, leads to a semantic and epistemological disaster. But it's hard to se...

I don't see why it's impossible in principle for humans to eventually build an android that would be adopted by us as a member of the community. The p...

:up: What might be added, to comfort those who find this troubling, is that these social constructs aren't rigid and eternal. Meanings can drift. Witt...

This is semantically confused or incoherent. As I've mentioned several times, the concepts of the truth and certainty have no function or significance...