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If I were to make estimates of the culture around me, I'd say 90% are moral anti-realists. Of course, I haven't been spending any time in churches, la...

I'm not sure what you mean by this. The same force? If math statements (essentially facts about math= facts about morality) are the same types of fact...

The reason I ask, is because it looked like you were asking, "what if there were moral facts that were determined by social considerations?" And I got...

How are you defining facts?

Hmmm. I don't know. Aren't you put in the position of just saying, "every time we test it, it works?" But, I haven't read anything by Imre Lakatos. Se...

I wonder if Hume would approve of Sam Harris' attempt to combine science and ethics? (I have very little respect for Harris).

How DO you label someone like myself who ticks off republicans and democrats alike when politics are discussed?

I recently switched from utilitarianism to virtue ethics.

No matter the specifics, I think we all agree that Hume was arguing against an objective morality, don't we? I think we can say he definitely rejected...

if I recall correctly, what I argued for earlier in the thread, is that math can't be falsified. I did point out that some philosophers claim it can b...

I was out mowing my lawn and thought of something I wanted to get down before I forgot. Maybe Ought Is just always the wrong word to use. No one uses ...

That's basically the reasoning that ancient philosophers used to argue for virtue (moral excellence). Man ought to do what is characteristic of a man....

From where I'm sitting, I'm continually being told we can be sure there are no moral facts, that it's actually all "preferences". Why? Because, the ar...

How are you describing "verifiable" in that case? It looks like you must mean, "it agrees with my intuition." I think the swan analogy does work. Q: H...

My mistake, I must have misunderstood. Can something be intuitive and falsifiable?

That just seems wrong to me in a way that is incrumulating. 8-)

2+2=4 isn't as easy to falsify as you think. You're basically appealing to our intuition. You're saying, "we all know 2+2=4, right?" The question you ...

I got the impression they attempted it, because otherwise, math is only intuitive. Can you really falsify something that is intuitive?

Yeah. Facts and knowledge are weird, aren't they? We think we can verify/falsify the things we think we know. But, just try to prove it. And how to ve...

I don't know how you got that from my posts. And it seems to me that the only way you could know it is true, is if you know there are no moral facts. ...

You may have a point about how they were working on how to derive 1+1=2 logically. But, do you know why they wrote the Principia Mathematica in the fi...

Are you claiming that all claims Are verifiable, or that all claims Must be verifiable? What do you know of Logical Positivism and why it failed?

I'm not making specific claims about ethics or morality, or even how to figure them out, I'm just than suggesting that moral facts aren't quite as odd...

It looks like you've just found another way to say, "I know there can't exist moral facts".

And you would prove that, how exactly? Is that "truth" falsifiable? Verifiable? Looks to me that what you mean to say is "we all Ought to accept that ...

Is it binding in other ways?

The point of my thread is to suggest that the claim, "you can't get an ought from an is" may not actually be binding. I don't think we can say much wi...

I think the question is, which facts are facts even though they can't be verified? The point of this thread is that facts are odd things. And I don't ...

Looks to me that no one can really state anything without using some kind of "Ought".

It looks to me like we have no other options. Now that I've read Holbo, I see "Oughts" all over the place.

Hume said "you can't get an Ought from an is, so that means...." If you're right, what does it mean?

Well I made my claim "you can't falsify math" before I checked to see if I was right. Apparently it is a controversial issue, with many philosophers s...

Are you sure? How would you falsify the claim that 2+2=4? Is it true because everyone accepts it, or do we all accept it because it is objectively tru...

And I'm saying Hume can't have it both ways.... either you can get an Ought from an is, or you can't.

Fair enough. I thought that was where you were going. Glad to hear one other person agrees that the existence of moral facts are a real possibility......

The point is that Hume says, "you can't get an Ought from an is". Then he breaks his own rule by saying, "reason Ought to be the slave of the passions...

As vacuous as saying you know that 2+2=4? Is it true because we all believe it, or do we all believe it because it is objectively true? (can we even f...

Funny thing about that. I came across John Holbo of the National University of Singapore, who points out that Hume doesn't quite follow his own rules....

And math fits that paradigm? And you know morality doesn't? It seems to me that just as other facts are not decided by consensus, they are objective i...

I suppose you could assume that. But, how to prove it's anything more than an assumption on your part?

I was never a hard core defender of my faith, but because of the way I lived my life (I was a non-swearing, non-drinking construction worker for 10 ye...

I do like imagining what the best possible God would be like. I sometimes wonder if that isn't what good theologians are actually doing and if it isn'...

I do that myself, lol. I blame it on my fundy background. If any of y'all see me go OCD on your butt, just holler "knock it off, fundy!" 8-)

But, I think even more basic than all the above, is that (after being influenced by Greg Sadler) I think philosophy can give us an idea about why and ...

I grew up in a radical young earth creationist, Calvinist church in which there were no musical instruments, women wore headcoverings and were silent ...

Any radical changes? I've decided to give up angry outbursts. Well, anger in general.

I wonder if Chrysippus was anything like this?

LOL. Yeah, I hear that. But, to tell the truth, this isn't my only time-waster. Can philosophy help us to make more efficient use of time? I have been...

This is the program I was referring to. It was broadcast for the first time earlier this month.

It seems to me that if Koko did anything like some people are saying she does.... then some legitimate researcher would be all over it, and there woul...