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I would agree with that.

Could you expand on that?

This is why I much prefer Kuhn's description of science over Popper. What Popper describes is what a lot of scientists would like science to be in an ...

Exactly. Indeed. They are not two categorically different things.

I think you are flitting between two similar but different systems - one with pruning of observations and one without.. Addressing the system you desc...

I look forward to it. I will be busy for a couple of weeks, but I will read it with interest. Incidentally, this kind of topic is the reason I got int...

I think 2. and 3. in your list are conditional on context. What is the end? What are the means? How much good/bad does your end achieve, in your moral...

Yes, and I'll be happy to read your expanded explanation. At the moment, this is what I see you doing, in order: 1. Observing what "is" through scient...

This is true for how the in group is treated in different societies. But many societies that thrived had no problem murdering, stealing and raping the...

You thought correctly. And importantly this is a testable hypothesis that has been experimentally verified.

There is no contradiction as they are operating in categorically different spheres. But I think you also said this, so no disagreement here. I don't t...

My bad I made a typo in my post. Both my points were about instrumental oughts, but I incorrectly wrote imperative oughts in my first sentence. That p...

Yes I agree, and that is the point I was trying to make to the other poster. The means are themselves ends. The 100 people John killed are not merely ...

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My goal was good, but not sure about my subgoal...

Non.But we are going around the mulberry bush, so best leave it there I think.

Ah I see your problem. Well I gave a number of examples. John want to save one person - Mark. This is an end, do you agree? To do so he kills 100, thi...

No I'm asking you. Your list suggests the goal carries more weight that the sub goal. My point is why? Most of your replies have been to repeat the li...

Ok, so killing 100 innocent people justifies saving my daughter. (this is hypothetical - I don't have a daughter only a son. Otherwise I wouldn't feel...

Yes, and that is what I too am discussing. Perhaps I should simplify further. Here is a new example: I want to save 1 person - my daughter. That is my...

Instrumental ought are really just conditional oughts. So it doesn't solve any problems, just kicks the can down the road to the condition. And an oug...

Which interestingly are equal in mathematics - there are proofs for that equivalency.

Ok, let me refresh on Mark and John. Mark killed 500 to save 100. John saved 500 to kill 100. Since you just repeated your list, i assume that you are...

That is a different example though. In Mark and John's example, who is better? At best your new example would show that the list is not fixed and is c...

Let me expand and clarify. There is a guy called Mark. Mark really really wants to save 100 people over there. That is his goal. in order to do that h...

Right. Using this in your previous ordered list, and the second and third item in particular: 2. Bad subgoals, good goals 3. Good subgoals, bad goals ...

Could you elaborate on that?

Yes, but that was not my question. Rather I was arguing that killing Mr X is an end in itself. And the saving 100 people are also ends. They are all e...

It doesn't answer my question - are the means also ends in themselves? It seems to me means are often (perhaps even always, but I'm not sure) ends the...

But aren't the bad means bad ends in themselves? If I can save 100 lives by killing 1, that is good ends (saving 100 lives) with bad means (killing so...

This is a misunderstanding of entropy and theory of heat death of the universe. Heat death is not energy dropping to zero. There will be just the same...

I also see a large component of moral norms being a common framework for a group to coorporate. of course there are many different ways in which peopl...

I mean value in the moral and ethical way - what is good, desirable and worthwhile. Science should strive for a moral free idea in this sense, though ...

In this instance it was the owner of the business, who was also the CEO, who decided. He wanted to challenge the existing traditional structure of how...

I agree with all that. Now when now get to science, I have a view that may look at first contradictory with the above, but I don't think it is. I thin...

Now to say what I think should happen 1) Different people should be payed differently based on their contribution to the companies profits, but based ...

I don't understand your objection to "the market". An analogy - I say the electorate selected Biden as president. You say the electorate had nothing t...

The "market" is the total set of real people making real decisions, all whose decisions are linked to each other. Company A run by Adam will pay $55,0...

Yes this is how it works. The people who put int he capital, through a form of competition, decide on market value. Your market value is simply how mu...

Is this question in my ideal world or the current world? Taking your subsequent clarification about a Fortune 500 company, I'll assume this is a US co...

Indeed, and the word "progress" has values embedded in it. I think it was Collingwood who said history doesn't exist. What exist is the present and in...

Isn't this is dependent on the time you live, where you live, the culture around you? What is shared and validated today is not necessarily what was s...

Yes a non sequitur is a formal fallacy as you explain and means the logic is not valid.

I think that is a very big question. Here are my thoughts. There may be an external objective reality. I go further - I operate on the basis that ther...

I too find fallacies curious. I have wanted to make a thread on these but never had the time. There are a number formal fallacies that invalidate a lo...

I think you are conflating two things. We currently have many governments with conflict, persecution, economic exploitation. You want a global governm...

Absolutely. However there are circumstance where these external circumstances are challenging or contradictory enough that that it becomes difficult f...

This is largely true when everything is as it should be. However I think the OP has a point about how this functional unity can breakdown, and has bee...

Is this not a specific instance of a greater theme - that which exists is given moral priority over that which has the potential to exist. And hence i...

I see, the AI technology is not just to make enable a post-scarcity world, but to also basically run the world on behalf of humans. It would be intere...