frank

Yep

Maybe your society is different from mine. Where I am, prognosis is more important for life and death decisions than present state. I agree. The day-a...

It's true that if there is no consciousness, it helps in making the decision not to intervene and let a baby die, but ultimately the decision is more ...

Is it that formal logic outlines how one statement follows from another, and material logic looks at the limits of thought and language?

Do you think the possibilities for this universe are limited by what strikes us as conceivable?

I was looking for a 'it can't happen because it's illogical.' Care to step up to the plate?

A paradox is not the type of thing that has a location. Not having experienced it so far doesn't rule it out, though.

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Some might say that if you have strong feelings about logical monism, you would probably have some way of dealing with paradoxes. Would you agree?

Where are you?

Ohio?

I'm not sure.

What are your thoughts on Russell's paradox? Is it like Witt thought, from a transcendental logic? Or what?

Imagine someone scammed the system (a tad bit) so that a homeless guy could stay indoors with free food for a little while. That's a type of corruptio...

I see.

Know and believe are intensional operators. Is that where you were headed?

It's called dialetheism. I thought about doing a thread on it. Probably not.

The idea of a state of affairs comes from the Cartesian worldview. You can't demolish someone's worldview without giving them an acceptable alternativ...

I take it as phenomenology.

Maybe so. I'd have to think about it.

That would be an application of an overarching ontology to X.

Metaphysics is different because it's talking about the whole world. Language is for talking about things in the world, like evolution or cosmology.

For a while Russell thought they're the same thing. A true proposition is an obtaining state of affairs. Neutral monism.

no

It would be like the knight on a chess board describing the game of chess. It can't have that vantage point.

Form is probably the wrong word. How did the SEP put it? They're similar? I think so.

Yes. It's a secret that it's all nonsense.

Right. States of affairs are truth makers. Just using the word "state" implies being, to be. What is the state of affairs? It's that the cat is on the...

I think so.

In this case "know" means to understand what's being asserted by the use of the word. No word means anything until it's used, as opposed to mentioned.

He thought that truth can't be defined. Definition implies breaking something down into smaller pieces (a zebra is a horse with stripes, for instance....

Maybe, but Frege denied that correspondence is a definition of truth.

If you read the SEP article on states of affairs, it talks about how they have the form of thoughts. In other words, we don't think of the world as di...

If an infant's brainstem is intact it can live for a long time. They could put a feeding tube in and maybe a tracheostomy for mechanical ventilation. ...

Viability is about the connection between the vascular system and the alveoli in the lungs. It's called the AC membrane (alveolar capillary). It start...

If you look back at any source that asserts this, you should see that it's based on an assumption that consciousness is "localized" in the cerebral co...

The fetus is minimally conscious before that. I think you're looking for a higher level of consciousness.

Ok. The fetus has a brain-like structure at 3 weeks. I'll put you down for supporting abortion up to 2 weeks after conception. :up:

So your view isn't scientific. You just hold to that folk wisdom.

Per CBC theory, cells are conscious in that they have awareness of their environments. How would you show that this view is wrong?

I think the rule here is to never say exactly the same thing twice. Always change at least one word.

There's science that says that? Sentiment probably. That's what's behind morality in general.

I don't think there's really a scientific dividing line when it comes to consciousness, owing in part to our lack of understanding of what it is and w...

I wasn't suggesting that a 24 weeker is identical to a newborn. So there's nothing behavioral that signals cognition to you. It's a matter of wiring?

You mean you want to repeat the same thing over and over, endlessly?

Are these capabilities that a newborn would have? Newborns are unable to focus their eyes, their muscle movements are reflexive, and when they smile, ...

It was a "we hold these truths to be self-evident" kind of argument and I'm American, so of course I loved it.

So you approve of abortion as long as it's reserved for blastocysts, so up to 10 days after conception. Ok.

I don't think you have a good argument. If you do, present it.

I'm interested in hearing a good argument from you. I just haven't so far.