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Everyone after Wittgenstein was deranged. Just a sad turn of events. :fear:

I very much doubt you'd find any of my thoughts about this interesting, but I'll say it anyway. When we think about a world, the whole thing is suppos...

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People say all sorts of weird things. Which philosopher thinks that affirming language games means that nothing existed before humans?

I don't either. I don't think anyone thinks that.

The idea is that we don't passively engage our world like blank slates upon which the world faithfully writes. It's more that we deal with one another...

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I think Kripke's concern would be about someone asking about an alternative Socrates who had different parents. To my mind, whether that question woul...

Me too, but with a big dose of skepticism about metaphysics. That bias thing again. :grin:

I can't really speak for Count. I don't quite understand what he means. It's metaphysically possible for Socrates to have been a chimp. Where I think ...

I was wrong about that. We all lean toward materialism, so I don't know what's meant by "essence.".

You and Count are both materialists.

Cheers! :nerd:

Ok. But how does this help you fix a reference? Or is this completely divorced from the OP?

We hadn't brought up Kripke. It works like this: I could make it clear that the Socrates I'm talking about is the human one. I'm only looking at possi...

So you aren't saying essential properties are necessary properties. I don't know what you mean then.

Yes, but Kripke's essential properties are stipulated. Do you think that's what Count means?

Are you saying that it's necessarily true that Socrates is human?

@"Banno" is correct about that. Being human isn't essential to Socrates because he could have been an alien. He could have been an android who time tr...

It's not very deep philosophically. :sad:

Is believing in essences from Plato? Is that how we're supposed to be sorting out reference? We're contacting the ideal?

Electro-philosophy. :grin:

Doesn't the central nervous system also deal with converted information?

Cool. Do you know the story of the invention of the step-by-step switch? And do you know whether that was the kind of switch Turing used in his Enigma...

I was just talking about AD converters that are used for interfacing with the world. Did you know one of the first ideas for a computer was analog? Th...

Interesting post. Quine's insight only eliminates agreement among us if recognition of another's reference is entirely empirical. My interest in the t...

That's a fascinating thought. Sentience isn't equivalent to human intelligence. It's something other than that. I think human thought is driven by emo...

Yes. He'd need to live with the natives for a while to build empathy.

Suppose that understanding you requires that I put myself in your shoes. I must look at the world through your eyes. When I do that, the million thing...

.. It sounds like you're saying I'm wrong because the world is going to hell. :razz:

It's food for thought. :cool:

Quine didn't say we aren't confident about agreement. He said there is no fact of the matter regarding a speaker's reference. No, it doesn't. You coul...

I don't see how his holism is a premise for inscrutability of reference. Could you flesh that out? And I don't know what you mean by "view from nowher...

No. He was saying there is no fact of the matter regarding a speaker's reference. If you're interested in what I'm saying right now, you won't find an...

Quine's inscrutability of reference. It's that there's no fact of the matter regarding a speaker's reference.

Other than giving up animal sacrifice, what changes did they make?

If that was true, Judaism would have died when the Assyrians invaded.

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Do you disagree?

It's just that there's no fact of the matter regarding a speaker's reference.

@"Harry Hindu" I really like that. In the article the guy says, with regard to a goal, intelligence is "what you do when you don't know what to do."

man finds mysterious egg

Have you ever eaten wasabi peas?

I think we would agree that when natural selection solves a problem, it's merely following the path of least resistance. The question is: is human int...

I think you're pretty much nailing the important points from the definition I'm getting out of this article. Intelligence is about problem solving, es...

I was talking about Hinton's view, which borrows from Dennett. I think his argument for AI sentience is that the only reason to deny it would be to re...

What's your opinion?

There are a couple of ways to look at that question, one being the way we compare people to each other using standardized tests. The other way, more i...