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Not in the t-sentence. Read about it. It's semi-fascinating. Tarski never finished his obscure project, but he inspired others.

Are you saying that truth is something we reach for (as if beyond us in time and space)?

No.

Thanks guys! I'll respond later.

Its called the identity theory of truth. A proposition is identical to a fact. The late Russell tried to drop propositions in favor of beliefs, but it...

No, the part that follows IFF is a statement or sentence.

The t-sentence doesn't reference actuality.

There are two uses of the word in play. One is about what we take to be true. The other is akin to absolute truth. The focus should be on the conflict...

Yes he did. Look up states of affairs in the SEP.

Per Russell, a proposition is a state of affairs. Propositions are truth-apt, states of affairs either obtain or don't. Historically, kings were close...

What's the greater power and how does it hold people accountable?

I'm also coming around to the idea that morality and power are inextricably linked.

No, it's that magic thing about money: if you have it, you can be any damn thing you want to be.

You mean morally?

Redundancy means that truth is an aspect of the act of assertion. This is what I assumed you believe since you handed me the T-sentence as if it says ...

I don't think you rewrote the OP. You just answered my question with "yes" without reflecting on how that commits you to a non-redundant truth.

Yea.

Then why were you saying the world is thus and so? Redundancy is just about assertions.

That's deflation. There is no truth-maker in it.

It's needed in this context.

What makes it true? I thought you were deflationary about truth.

What I meant was that the concept of absolute truth is historically tied to divinity. Though we've left divinity behind, I dont think most of are prep...

That works. Once we realize that changes in worldview are really changes in power structure, it occurs to us that our own worldview is rooted mainly i...

And if they don't, what are you going to do? Tickle them?

I think Trump is drawing the US down off the world stage. Who thinks that's a bad idea?

It's still a good quote. In an era of predator dominance, the predator's interpretation is generally taken to be true and the world's divinities suppo...

So when we look back on history and see changing worldviews, were seeing power change hands. But the notion that our own worldview is just like that: ...

Note the OP's changed so we're talking about a quote by someone other than Nietszche.

Cool. Thanks! :up: I disagree. The objective view is most prone to bias because so much of it is made of interpretations. Yep. I agree.

Now that's what I call a persuasive argument. I think a case could be made that a lot of what we take for truths are interpretations which succeeded b...

This a description of how power plays out, right?

Why not: all is interpretations (save a few useless philosophical insights).

Yes. Morality was N's preoccupation. The predator has one interpretation of events, the prey has another. Lacking a God's eye view, all we have are in...

I was recently advised by my employer that some people have variable gender. They just go with how they feel when they wake up. My employer requested ...

Nietzsche's point is that where there are multiple interpretations, power determines the prevailing one. Do you agree with that?

I don't think it's definable. The concept is in use in the act of defining. Still, we all know what it is.

No. I don't think truth is definable, yet we know what it is (or isn't). Note the way Nietzsche uses the word. Isn't this a case where optimism makes ...

Selectively true?

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What? I'm on your side.

You're probably right. I'm very opposed to people pretending it's the 1960s because that stands in the way of objective progress on actually going bac...

How so?

I'm just like you. I don't care if he's from outer space. I just want to go back to the 1960s where I very well may belong.

There is no DNC. Trump, who as we all know was born with both male and female genitalia, is an alien who is able to control time.

No he's innocent.

He's totally innocent, true. But it makes no difference. The powerful New England elites have set a clear path to defeating him. The impeachment inqui...

Yep.

This is what I think: its all screwed up. But it's always been screwed up. Though blood and gore may be all around you, you can just sit on a hill and...

Dictatorship it is, then. Actually Chinese culture is fucking awesome, as I'm sure you know.

But then Australia would be China's butthole. Is that really what you want? This is an interesting analysis, echoing our own conversation here: https:...