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Is that an exaggeration?

Stupidest gift ever: a bottle of white-out.

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That doesn't sound reasonable to me. You're responsible for what you do. That's it.

That's my new years resolution.

The arguments we're addressing want us to draw conclusions about the character of Christians for what we take to be their belief (or the logical outco...

Omicron is like a vaccine. Just crap luck it didn't come earlier.

Fine.

That'll work.

Link up the stuff about belief and action to the OP. You haven't done that yet, have you?

Every asteroid is an opportunity to roast marshmallows.

And you continue to back up my point. Excellent.

You're just making stuff up now.

Judging people by their beliefs alone is dubious. You can't control what people believe, so you're pissing in the wind. You can control a person's act...

Sure. So we agree that like Nazis, Christians must be judged by their actions. :up:

No. My point wasn't that Christian accomplishments excuse anything. It's that we have to evaluate their effects the world differently from Nazis.

Fritz is inciting violence. Do you see Christians in general as doing that?

Nah. Christians aren't Nazis. Try again. Bill loves Dracula. He goes on and on about it. How should we treat Bill? According to his actions.

In this scenario did the Nazis produce a Martin Luther King Jr? A Dorothy Day? Did the Nazis educate chaplains to help hospitals with grieving relativ...

CEOs are mostly paid in stocks. Boards do that to incentivize focus on their own earnings, not because CEOs deserve that money This kind of focus de-i...

"Origen did not believe in the eternal suffering of sinners in hell. For him, all souls, including the devil himself, will eventually achieve salvatio...

I think that would have to be based on their respective actions.

Pretty much.

Sure. To know a person's moral character, we look at that person's ACTIONS. (I'm making the words bigger so they cross the confusion barrier a little ...

No. The problem is that we judge the character of an individual by her actions. We don't judge classes of people. Period.

I wonder if it's even possible to do something with Marxism that doesn't end up catastrophic. Early Christian church fathers didn't take the Bible lit...

My prediction for 2022: https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/FAdM9sLkkfPpEQu4m4dm8a-970-80.jpg.webp

Why would we need to talk about intention wrt worms? Their actions are reflexive or hormone driven. No models, no memory logging, just chemicals. To s...

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You did draw a line, but I think you're back on track now. Worms are conscious. Then: Chemicals are instructed by a mind? What?

Sorry, I don't know what you're saying.

I've got it, but it's not my favorite translation.

Maybe replace "see the world" with "light sensitivity.".

It sets the stage for immoral action. Any time you condemn a class of people, your unconscious, which holds all sorts of anger and frustration, will s...

Ok. I'll try. No. It's not Chalmers. I don't think Chalmers lays out a definition for consciousness, except that whatever it may be, it needs to inclu...

Oppressed people long for revenge. Their culture told them Divine justice is evident in this world because that's just the definition of good: to be b...

Ok. Good to know. A worm demonstrates functions of consciousness. You'd need to go ahead and allow consciousness all the way down. That's not an unusu...

If I remember correctly, the original victims of the Jewish Hades or Gehenna were Gentiles and it wasn't eternal torment. Later they decided Jews coul...

Well you said "conscious species." You can't be a functionalist and use that kind of language. I'll put you down for non-reductive physicalism. "Direc...

Sure. But there's nothing in philosophical about "They suck" Hell is about divine justice. It's about bad people getting away with their crimes. In th...

Apparently people make choices. The argument against it is purely logical with no empirical support. Purely logical arguments are nice, but they're fr...

Absolutely. I agree. I went through a phase of trying to understand it. What I can't do is just condemn 1/4 of the species (or whatever it is) and lea...

Butterscotch cookies have been the highlight so far. Plus seeing a friend's Christmas decorations, which are skeletons dressed up as Santas.

I think you already agreed that it's unnecessary. There's nothing you can do about religion, whatever you may think of it's adherents.

So you agree it's not to any concrete end. We don't need to bring John Locke into it. :up:

What is it then?

Even if Mother Theresa was a slug as you suggest, there's nothing you can do about it. You're outnumbered.

Hold up. What do you mean by "conscious" here? What is a worm missing that it would need in order to be conscious?

Some aspects of human consciousness are the same as that of a worm, right? Is it appropriate to think of a worm's consciousness as intention driven? A...

Hell as a place of torment was a Jewish idea, although they didn't use that word. "Hell" was a Norse goddess of the dead.