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Yes, no option at all! It's impossible for you to put any more effort in on your end, so that you actually pay attention to what I'm saying, so that I...

So you're just going to deliberately ignore what I said earlier on this very point? This is what I mean when I say you're not being helpful.

Yeah, well, I don't think I'm going to humour you, because I believe that you know what I mean enough to understand me when I say, for example, that i...

Jamalrob hit the nail on the head early on. It is and it isn't. It depends.

But you're not helping me to help you. What can I do? It feels like you're just throwing your hands up in the air instead of working with me.

I've already shown you what I mean and explained my position. This reply from you doesn't help us move forward at all. So unless you have anything els...

I don't know. What do you believe it is? It's funny because you understand the question, and you're effectively asking us the same thing.

You can't kid a kidder.

So much projection. Anyway, I think I'll join the bandwagon by vacating this discussion and leaving you in peace to argue with yourself. Have fun!

And the relevance...? :yawn: The text has meaning, whereas the marks could either have meaning or not, but that can't be known either way if all we kn...

I agree, except that I don't actually think that it's a problem either way in the broader context of what this discussion is supposed to be about, bec...

Calm down, dear. And I know precisely what the topic is about. It's about crocodiles. That's what I've been talking about this whole time. The rest of...

It relates to that fact. I am alive because of that. But what of it? That still doesn't address my point. My point is that facts are not what they're ...

No, you need to follow my wording precisely. I didn't say that being alive is a fact. The fact is that I am alive. By my view, it is proper to state a...

You're welcome. It's called psychological conditioning. It's for your own good! :lol: I really don't need a thought experiment. I know exactly where y...

That expression suits me better. You should use this one: :fear:

I should be humble like you. :rofl: Nothing says humble like, "That's 'Sir' to you!".

@"Fooloso4", apparently you can't understand a text without reading it or knowing the language, and reading it makes you a user of the language. I kno...

:up: The problem isn't that it requires an argument, because prior to this discussion there have been at least three discussions with pages upon pages...

@"Isaac", the Oracle has given his answer. Do not pester the Oracle with your guessing and requests for explanation. The Oracle doesn't explain. The O...

And yet they're still meaningful. And that's the problem with interpreting "meaning is use" in this awful idealist way. If no one is experiencing it r...

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...to go.

You still have a long way...

But only slightly.

Your humour is improving.

Well, to be fair, it is now 24 pages later. Some people go off course far sooner, and sometimes right off the bat. Fair enough. Okay. So I'm applying ...

Kant-Schmant. Anyway, the moral of this story is to stop bloody conflating two distinct things, because - surprise, surprise - doing so causes problem...

But I doubt it when you say things like that, because to me it seems like you make your own self-fulfilling prophecies. I'm saying that to say that it...

But I think that your problem is imagining that it's a problem that I'm imagining it, when that isn't a problem at all, it's actually just an old Berk...

It's actually the opposite of it being the case that no true statements can be made about what meaning is, and that's where I have some sympathy with ...

:rofl: Well, you made me doubt myself, so I googled "Heidegger" and "hammer" and stuff came up. The hammer is apparently a "ready-to-hand". :rofl:

I don't doubt that! I don't doubt that even if you replace {mean to a language user} with {mean}! I never said that they weren't two distinct things! ...

The discussions in question were my own discussions. You think I could have been the one going off topic in my own discussions? :brow: They began to t...

It's not a matter of feeling. It's reasonableness we're talking about here. Reasonableness is not like morality. An appeal to emotion here is itself u...

It's a relief to see that I'm not alone on this. I've learnt to see the word "empirical" as a red flag now in contexts like this. Oh dear. I think tha...

But that leads to seemingly absurd logical consequences. A sign saying "Caves up ahead" wouldn't mean that there are caves up ahead? Just because no o...

At best, that's hugely incomplete. There's the meaning that I'm thinking about right now. But to jump to the conclusion that meaning is therefore a me...

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Maybe I'll look into your claim out of interest, but obviously even if true, it wouldn't mean that you're not wrong, or that you're not speaking a lan...

In Terrapinese, which is the name that I've just coined for your language, that is true. I, however, think that there are better available languages t...

Wait, what? Seriously? :lol: I mean, I would be insulted too, but then I don't go on about hammers in a way that seems reminiscent of something I reca...

As I explained, if you apply that in every case, then in some cases you will end up making the mistake of an overly literal interpretation. This is on...

What I meant is that it trivialises things without a logical connection which makes it relevant. (And in that case, it would be relevant but mistaken,...

It has already been categorised as blue, by us. It is set in the rules. Manifest? But what we're talking about - things like whether the cup is blue o...

I'm fine with what Wittgenstein called family resemblance. I don't see that as a valid basis for what you're doing. You could just say that it has a u...

Empirically. That's the key word. And it trivialises things in my assessment. That we can't know something empirically is not that we can't know somet...

Is the scenario such that there is light reflecting off of the cup of a certain range in wavelength which corresponds to that categorised as the colou...

Problem of ambiguity again. In practice or in principle? I could probably go along and identify problems in every single one of your comments. They're...