Some people are overly sensitive, easily offended, and idiotic. It's not an equivalence, it's a comparison. They both have limitations in terms of abi...
Why are the possibilities, assuming that that's what they are, (1) that people have souls, and (2) that souls exist prior to birth, and (3) that souls...
Sorry, I should be spending more time on your posts and less time bickering with a certain someone. I need to take in what you've said and contemplate...
In itself, yes. But how do you think you can resolve the dilemma of either implying something controversial which makes no sense or saying something t...
No. You should know by now that I am adept at identifying informal fallacies, like appealing to the masses. Something like that. Of course there's a r...
No. You might want to go back and check what was compared to what. I compared a big "if" with another big "if". In common parlance, we refer to what's...
No, I'm not saying that it's impossible. Why would you think that, given the analogy that I made? I'm saying that your "if" isn't worthy of serious co...
You don't think so, even though what I said in the quote above can be demonstrated by example when it comes to pets and children? And by your own appe...
We can't even agree on that. Quitting isn't a bad thing if something isn't worth the bother. If you give me something worth my time, I'll try again. T...
Or you could go further afield and talk in a similar way about apples, dogs, or lampposts, as I have done. I think my examples better emphasise the ab...
Here's the key point you seem to miss: consent isn't always explicit, nor need it be. I don't need to ask because my continued consent is implicit, no...
Yes, but I won't touch one if it doesn't consent, because I'm responsible like that. I'm an anti-appleist. We ought to bring attention to this massive...
And non-people can never consent. Only people can. That dogs can't vote is not a massive ethical issue. It's not an ethical issue at all. When people ...
That's missing the point. You're right that it wasn't a proper 'if-then', since it was incomplete. That was the point: I didn't even need to complete ...
This is where you go wrong. It isn't morally reprehensible to keep pets in the right way, despite the fact that they do not, and cannot, consent. It's...
Well argued! Impossibility does matter, in a certain sense, in some situations. But what Andrew's trying to do with it doesn't work. They can't win th...
Nice of you to chip in with some more loaded language. But calling it a burden doesn't quite do the trick. What if we call it a torment? Or compare it...
It is sensible to think of consent comparatively. There are situations in which people can consent to sex, and we use that as a comparison, but there ...
Yes, of course I have. What about them? You need to bring this back to consent and go into more detail. Predicting the future based on the past is not...
I kind of agree with Terrapin, but for a different reason. Technically, you can do both, but you can't do either without seeming to partake in talk th...
That's simply not true. When I'm working on a reply, such as this, for example, there are never any repetitive elements. Repetitive elements just don'...
It's just no big deal. Obviously it's no big deal to me, and no big deal to others as well. As for the rest, it should be no big deal for them, too. M...
Well, in the example that you gave of the feeling that people are staring at you, and in the example that I gave of the feeling of anger, there's a di...
You tell me. I wouldn't be able to answer that question. Yes. It doesn't strike me as being quite like anger, for example, which is more instantaneous...
Well, you're welcome to go back and give it another shot. You might be able to improve upon your last failed attempt. But I don't think you will - tha...
What you've quoted me as saying there was not directed at the quote above it, as you've made it appear. I addressed that quote with a different commen...
You seem to have misunderstood again. That wasn't what I was talking about. I've moved on from that. I specifically referred to the if-then in your or...
That's also fair enough. I think that that's as much a comment on your own original comment, to which I replied, as it is to my reply. It was kind of ...
Okay. Yes. At least we can readily understand that feeling and understand what it would mean for it be true that people are staring at you. That is no...
In what you quoted? Yes. In the rest of that comment? No. You addressed the flippant remark, but decided not to address the serious points. (And I was...
But we weren't discussing a child in the future, or a conscious person, both of which can of course consent. We were discussing consent in relation to...
I'm surprised that you didn't realise that I did in fact realise that. Although perhaps you did, and the above was an attempt to fight fire with fire ...
Were you not? I wish it didn't have to be like that with you, but when you respond like that, what do you expect? There seems to be a recurring proble...
Anecdotal evidence is evidence, and not proof, so it is not absolutely reliable. There's more reliable, less reliable, and unreliable. It makes sense ...
It was an analogy. The one and the other do not have to be exact in every way. The distinction you make doesn't seem to address my criticism. Perhaps ...
Glad we agree. If pigs can fly, and one just flew past my window, then... Yes, trivially, it's worded such that it's problematic. To reword it: there ...
How predictable. You're making my point. I know you, and other anti-natalists, want to focus on and exaggerate the negative aspects. You want to make ...
That contrast is an effective way of showing the one-sided, cherry-picking nature of typical anti-natalist arguments like Andrew's above. They're alwa...
No I'm not. That analogy was directed at your argument. Look at the first few lines. "People can't consent to being born. It creates a massive problem...
Because it's no big deal, and yes, me, just as you decide otherwise. I'm a liberal and you're a prude. I don't doubt that you go around judging what y...
>:O "Excuse me, Mister. Why do you want to appeal sexually and attract attention?" But it shouldn't concern you. I'm trying to ascertain whether this ...
I don't know. That's his concern, not yours. Why don't you ask him? That'd be funny to watch, actually. When can you be sure if he's just some guy on ...
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