But what does it mean to talk of killing other beings unnecessarily? The killing that we're talking about is necessary to meet the demand for meat pro...
Yes, and that's just one of many absurd consequences which arise from the endorsement of an equality of kind which neglects a difference in degree. Th...
Indeed. I've thought that from the start. We've had to try to tease them out. The opening post doesn't say anything about equality, for example, yet s...
Your point is in need of an update. Intelligence is one factor out of multiple factors. Who here, if anyone, is of the position that intelligence or a...
Exactly. No, a distinction on the basis of species is a relevant distinction with regard to appropriate treatment, and it's obviously not just a matte...
Getting out of work by knowingly exploiting an error on the rota? I was supposed to be in today, but it said that I was on holiday, so I didn't turn u...
I'm comparing two items which are similar in ways, yet markedly different in others, and you're comparing two situations which are similar in ways, ye...
Agreed. It's too simplistic. It doesn't seem to take into account varying degrees of empathy or compassion, or varying levels of appropriateness in be...
I disagree that there’s no evidence that our physical universe consists of more than inter-related if-then statements, as did T Clark, for one, and as...
That's odd, because I have done both. I have actually been acknowledging similarities since at least page eight, I'll have you know. See for yourself....
Just in case it has yet to sink in, that's actually a cock, not a chicken. You must have inadvertently mistaken the one for the other. There's absolut...
I know that this was directed at Micheal, but it has already been answered. What differentiates the one from the other is being sufficiently human-lik...
I don't get how you can ask how it's necessary at all, yet in the next breath mention the necessity of meeting a demand. It's not a simple necessity, ...
You should learn what an appeal to the masses actually is. It's more than merely using the term "small minority" in a discussion. I don't know why you...
No, it's not completely irrelevant. For starters, I didn't say that it's incorrect, let alone for that reason. You're quoting me out of context and re...
And I've been arguing that pointing to suffering and the capacity to suffer, in itself, evidently isn't enough for most people, who make distinctions ...
Maybe. But it relates to this discussion. You seem to just be assuming certain things, like these "animal rights" that you mentioned. These so-called ...
Where did I say that we should do away with morality completely? Rather, like I said earlier, morality isn't the be-all and end-all. If you can't see ...
You can philosophise in isolation from reality all you like, but I happen to be one of those irksome people with a bad habit of disrupting such procee...
Fortunately, the United States of America has a democratic political system with rigorous checks and balances which renders the dangerous notion of an...
Any suffering which might be involved would be necessary for meat production. And different circumstances result in the act being judged to varying de...
What's bizarre is your reply. :brow: Banning guns is an ideal because it's a better way of reducing gun crime, and accidents involving guns, and the m...
Yeah, at best, they've shown inconsistency in the case of someone accepting all of their presuppositions, which isn't the same as showing meat eaters ...
Some of the most brilliant minds throughout history have also claimed things which are just silly, like that water is the source of all things, that a...
Yes, so I claim, and as I think most people would accept. If you would claim otherwise, then I think that the burden would lie more with you than with...
Look, I don't care about anything you've asserted my way thus far, because it hasn't given me any reason to concede that the degree of consciousness s...
I agree that it's pretty funny, but there's a serious point underlying it which shouldn't merely be dismissed out of hand. And if you do so, then I wi...
Those I've already given. Those in the thought experiment I referred to, about looking, acting, tasting, etc., just like a chicken. Those circumstance...
No, I don't think so, because I can point to a distinct set of circumstances, and others can relate to and identify with my position. I can know that ...
I'm not sure, to be honest. It's a very weird thing to consider. I would probably feel unconformable about the thought of doing so, at least at first,...
If there's no significant difference, then how do you explain why we don't slaughter those humans with severe mental disability? We have gathered that...
It ought to be fairly obvious that I'm not stringing together random reasons, why I'm doing what I'm doing, and why you can't reasonably isolate the c...
What makes you think that you can reasonably break up my conditions and assess each of them in isolation? That's not how I answered the question. If a...
Well, if there were a human who had the same level of intelligence as a chicken, who looked and acted just like a chicken, had the same kind of flesh ...
If you think that claiming something like that to be clear and factual is sufficient, then you're wrong. I acknowledge that there are similarities, bu...
No, there's a difference between discriminating between cases based on the application of different standards and being inconsistent. You haven't show...
No, I'm pretty sure that it's not all or nothing, and that we can and do discriminate. It's not where my logic leads, it's where you're leading it. It...
I don't think that most people here are going for all or nothing, but rather somewhere in between. I think that most people here on my side of the deb...
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