TheMadFool

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So, the answer is "no".

Aah! Makes sense. Would the distinguished guests be keeping an ear out for strange sounds coming from the engine room?

As people, with time, become more intellectual the body will be slowly relegated to simply being a vessel for the mind. Men will still differ from wom...

What do you mean? Is this a false assumption? The Turing test specifically states that all the AI has to do is give the impression that it's a human. ...

Why "go through all the trouble" unless it's a pressing concern?

I'm afraid reading his papers isn't something I've done; I wouldn't understand it anyway. Do you suppose Turing wasn't talking about consciousness whe...

So, the answer is a "yes"? Thanks.

It seems that facts are not on the side of some worldviews e.g. religious ones. Religion was so prominent in history primarily because, as Marchesk po...

I don't see how thought experiments are "bad". Thought isn't bad - philosophers make it a point to encourage thought. Experiments aren't bad - they ar...

If you think, as Turing supposedly did, that consciousness can be inferred from the behavior of a computer then it isn't much of stretch to conclude t...

That philosophy doesn't make progress maybe true but it's a different story for those who engage in philosophy - the philosophers. all of whom seem to...

It seems that Turing thought that behavior of an entity is adequate grounds to believe that entity to be conscious. Chalmers, because he thinks p-zomb...

If Turing thought that a computer AI has only to mimic a human to qualify as conscious then it seems he would also think the p-zombies are conscious.

Into what other areas would you like to extend this discussion into? I'm game.

Are you saying that certain behavior, e.g. talking about dreams, thoughts, feelings, etc, is sufficient to infer the presence of consciousness? If so,...

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Perhaps God, in his wisdom, realized that we are incapable of redeeming ourselves and so had to sacrifice his son for our sins.

What do you mean?

But why is it "bordering on incoherent"?

Why are there more atheists in this day and age than in the past? What makes people give up a religious worldview, if not that it's about being ground...

What's the alternative? Marriage? What is marriage but a contract wherein a man agrees, in the traditional sense of wedlock, to finance a woman's want...

Firstly, why are you so coy about your definition of consciousness? Secondly, I'd like to know what your analysis of the Turing test is vis-a-vis cons...

So, you think the scientific worldview is, to say the least, closer to the truth than other worldviews? So, you too share the same sentiment; the scie...

I didn't provide a definition. If I did anything, it's give you just a rough idea of what I think consciousness is. Again, with the hope of coming to ...

That's begging the question.

Exactly, science has the reputation of being the purveyor of, as you put it, facts. Why is it in this exalted position?

When I mentioned sleep and awake states I thought you'd immediately know that the domain of discussion is humans and not anything else. I'm all eyes a...

I'm only concerned with those scientific claims that are well-established - having run the gauntlet of tests and retests consisting of both experiment...

I want to clarify what consciousness is. Also, what are alseep and awake states then, if not physical? So, a standard issue computer is capable of con...

Indeed, what else could "physical" mean? Could the computer be conscious? You overlooked non-REM sleep.

Maybe. Go on.

It's not exactly materialism that leads to determinism. If the mind were immaterial and it turns out even the immaterial conforms to laws of its own t...

Good question but how might I word it to be more explicit than that? Perhaps physical in the sense that the p-zombie has a head, trunk, limbs, interna...

Someone in another thread had the opinion that consciousness/mind could be an illusion. I take it that he meant there's a physical basis for the pheno...

That was just an off the cuff remark.

Are you saying my post is confusing? Well, I did try to keep my wordcount to a minimum. Perhaps that's where the fault lies.

Indeed those are my words but surely you could've taken my words in a much broader setting.

When we die we become cold

In my humble opinion...

Firstly, my argument has a foot in both camps - ancient greek thought and modern science; time traveling between the two eras if you will. In terms of...

Yes, exactly. There are some causes that don't produce an effect. A diamond is actually soft until it's touched - then it becomes hard. There can be n...

So the Turing test is flawed? Behavior is not a reliable indicator of consciousness? Doesn't that mean p-zombies are possible and doesn't that mean ph...

Here I see a problem. You seem to be conflating things that have no causal power with things that have causal power and yet don't produce an effect. I...

Heraclitus made his inference that fire was the arche because bodies are warm. Fire was the paragon of warmth during his time. Thales came to the diff...

If language does influence cognition and worldview, The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis according to wikipedia, then it becomes a question of looking for radic...

1. The good book is god's word 2. If the good book is god's word then the good book is true 3. The good book is true (1, 2) 4. God is all good 5. If g...

Perhaps the cause of your fascination is just a case of loose terminology in the sense that what you think are "foundational" are in fact not.

I may be completely off the mark here but you seem to be surprised by how "foundational" beliefs differ with domain and that some of them are, in your...

Negligible interference? Do you mean to say that zero interference is an impossibility but that some interferences/influences are negligible? How does...