Two kind of things belonging to the same stuff. They are inseparable. So actually there is a unity. On the outside the stuff is material, on the insid...
There are sticks and stones, noses and bones. Likewise, there are conscious experiences.The dual framing of things means indeed there are two kinds of...
Douglas Hofstadter is a pianist. Queens guitarist Brian May is cosmologist. The brother of Killing Joke singer Jaz Coleman is particle physicist. The ...
Yes, you are right. Birds have 4. I overlooked the thumb (or is it the little index?). And we even have two chickens in the garden... They would kill ...
The justification is that there are two different things. The material structured processes, as seen from the outside, and the conscious experiences f...
I see your point. A consciousness experience is not the structured process by itself, as observed in brain scans or imagined in your mind. It is, well...
I totally agree. To every claim that one has found a ToE on can counter that it is just a fantasy in the mind's eye, constructed to evade the the abun...
There is no sensible reply. How would that look like? Untill now, hidden variables are just an assumption. But more "satisfying" than the orthodoxy ru...
A friend of mine was born with six fingers on one hand. They cut off at birth. As a guitar player he still condemns his mum. The aye-aye indeed has si...
It's not shut by far. This is what the majority of physicists want to belief. They just shut up and calculate, leaving a trail of confusion in philoso...
If you consider structured matter processes just that, yes. But reality proves you wrong. I feel structured processes. If I hear a piece of music, the...
God can interfere by means of hidden variables constituting the wavefunction. He could make wavefunctions in the atmosphere collapse in a controlled w...
LK is rather narrow-minded. If reproducibility were the norm, a lot of science wouldn't exist. Stuff being reproducable is a methodological imperative...
That's what you think. Just show me the program. I don't mean the laws of nature. Nature doesn't follow an explicit program, and neither does the brai...
Programmed by genetics? How the #$@%? can genes program? Maybe in school you can get programmed systematically, but normally I don't feel programmed b...
You like surprises obviously. New stuff increases your free energy. You brain aquires new forms, accompanied by entropy loss. A rather technical term ...
Aah, I get you now. Literal dark rooms to withdraw in. The need for surprises in the mind is overt in there. All hail to the dark room. "Dark room hon...
I don't think so. Though it depends on the room. If it's dark and empty, no surprises will be there. You will do nothing at some moment. The free ener...
:lol: Dunno. Dark rooms for philosophizing? What's to be found in them? Philosophical surprises? How is a dark room defined for philosophical purposes...
Well, the discussion is about the avoidance of dark rooms because there might be surprises in there, and minimal free energy considerations would keep...
A cave is no dark room. I know exactly what to expect in the dark sleeping room. A dark cave may hold surprises. But why not enter it? Because it woul...
That baseline is achieved indeed by maintaining a certain free energy that's needed to live a life. In order to maintain that minimal required energy ...
Evolution doesn't try anything. Evolution is just a human invention, replacing a notion of god and his creation of life. There is no such thing as evo...
On the contrary! It seems plausible that the same conditions as around our sun prevail around the majority of stars. Life is bound to evolve around mo...
That's a far-fetched but interesting comparison! :smile: The groups though are derived from material processes. For example, in the strong interaction...
It has even been conjectured that depression will be health hazzard nr. 1. The US is the most depressed country. Despite being the haven of freedom an...
Ah! There you make a naive, but understandable mistake.Structures don't flow independently somewhere to create the material it needs. The structure li...
Applying the minimization of free Gibbs energy to psychology is contrived. When free energy decreases entropy increases, but to form biological organi...
I see what you mean. So to evade the thrill of that surprise you escape the dark room to meet other surprises? On return to the dark room though, the ...
No arguments used here can convince the others if they start from different premises. This doesn’t mean though that a TV and programs transmitted by i...
Minimizing free energy means living a non-agitated, calm, life, with a minimum of energy use, in a silent dark room with optimal temperature and nothi...
The difference being though that information in the brain isn't pushed around in a programmed way. The information flows through the neuron pathwaysno...
Where do I make extravagant claims. "Naive", "extravagant", "fail", "unable", to mention a few words of the vocabulary you use in battling me. All the...
That makes the reality referred to not less real. However complicated the strucures are, they still need stuff out of which the patterns and structure...
The difference between a TV is that a working brain provides you with a conscious world. A working brain cannot be seen outside a living body. Every w...
It is. There is no information passing it though. Like the silent air at night. A brain is no transmitting medium. Both will go kerplunk in water. The...
Structuralists look at the structure of matter. Their relations. Without matter there can be no structure. Even if it could, structure can't explain c...
A TV, like the computer you are talking with me now, is just a medium. Air won't do because the distance between is is too big, I think. We could chec...
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