Ding ding ding… we have a winner… Apartheid since inception, Israel predicated on Jews dominating non-Jews in Palestine. So I guess I was talking abou...
How is that a change of subject. How does apartheid end on your view with Israel continuing to exist? You keep using the word, so a bit of substance w...
And every other country, but we are discussing Israel here and we don’t want to venture into accusations of whataboutism by the Australians or America...
Its called the Nakba for a fucking reason. Maybe the Palestinians got it wrong, too. You tell me. How does Israel exist without causing the mass suffe...
So there it is. Israel shouldn’t exist. Fine, we’ve established that. And now that Israel shouldn’t exist, should the Palestinians be allowed to kill ...
But you didn’t ask that. You said they have to stop all oppression. See the difference? From the perspective of the Palestinians, the mere existence o...
Then you have removed yourself from the conversation of what Israel should do. That is a standard that cannot be met and isn’t even worthy of discussi...
Go ahead and find where I said that. One quote. What crime against humanity (for whatever that means) did I say Israel gets to do? Collective punishme...
Of course they don’t, nor is that a moral response to the bombing. Yet again, you conflate saying that the Palestinians did something wrong with sayin...
Of course it should be minded. And they should stop doing it absent compelling reason beyond vague handwaving towards the eternal imminent threat. Who...
You keep hurling the accusations as if they are new or will somehow fall differently. The question isn’t “is ethnic cleansing” legitimate or are “mili...
Too stark? You mean that the PA and Egypt colluded against their Muslim siblings to starve the Gaza Strip to weaken Hamas and bring the region back un...
Amazing how you say that Israel can’t condemn the Palestinians for killing children and think you find moral ground by pointing to someone saying ther...
And what is truly, deeply ironic is that Hamas (as well as other muslim groups) take pride in having conquered Palestine and subjugated its non-Arab i...
Maybe you should read the charter I posted and what 180 said regarding the ability of Israel (or anyone for that matter) to question the methods of th...
And for anyone who cares even a little about the context for the relations between the Israelis, Palestinians, and Arab world, here is the PLO in its ...
Pathetic and rhetorical, much like the word “apartheid.” It adds nothing to the discussion and obscures the fact that Israel declared independence fro...
Thinking like this is beneath you. Not least of which because Israel has no independent interests aside from those which we grant it by convention. So...
The context was clear. Who we should support. If our support is predicated upon who has the least dirty hands, why does it matter where that dirt came...
Again - Israel is wrong when it murders (definitionally) and wrong when it land grabs (definitionally). Israel is wrong when it blows up children and ...
Stop patting yourself on the back and checking what is in your pants. Go ahead and quote what I said that you take issue with and I will respond. You ...
Why do you start so strong and then fall into oblivion? Unless you were born in 1950 or earlier, you have ZERO responsibility for what happened in 194...
Your reading is sub-par. I, personally, am anti-zionist and I cannot understand how a religious/ethnic state can claim it is morally defensible. I am ...
I didn’t say that the atrocities were perpetrated by them against Israel, I said they have done them and are not collectively responsible for less bad...
Where is that irony meter Seppo was using? This is a philosophy forum. Discussing the Israel/Palestine conflict from a philosophical POV (informed by ...
Sure, one can have moral clarity if one has an impoverished notion of morality. Israel can do things that deserve our support and things that don’t de...
For historical perspective, in about 1890 the US overthrew Hawaii and shortly thereafter claimed all of its land. Hawaii was made a state in 1959, som...
Since 180 is not participating it probably makes little sense to focus on what he said and my response thereto, nevertheless, the demand was not for I...
You make a good argument for an asshole, but a bad one for a peacnik. Particular Israelis fall on a wide spectrum of how to relate to Israeli Arabs, P...
Increasingly you seem to have no idea what you are talking about and just want to put words in my mouth. Not one single time did I say Israel has done...
Tell me, where does Supersessionism fall in your definition? How about otherness and scapegoatism? Just wondering if you are coming at this from typic...
I wonder if you know what anti-Semitism is. Without going on a long lecture about it, anti-Semitism is structural and is not about "victims." There is...
This always feels so disingenuous. They were all wrong, some more so than others, but that doesn’t mean that the causes they are identified with were ...
Maslow's hierarchy is bollocks. Life is the sickness unto death. Desire is the root of suffering. Self-abnegation is the path to enlightenment. So say...
Sounds a bit like you’ve bought the drugs medicine is selling. A diagnosis is largely a heuristic meant to assist in the treatment of a patient. To th...
I’m a nihilist and an emotivist. Any other questions? I deny your premise and find appeals to pre-history coupled with categorical statements boring. ...
A blind man in a dark room describing the sun would do a better job in many cases than you do in describing religion and religious figures. Also, mayb...
An implied or can do just as much work as an express one. Be careful that they understand that discussing evidence of G is separate from discussing ev...
Invoking logical nomenclature is useful in its place, but the problem with your statement isn’t about what else you could believe, but about whether y...
Source? You appear to be orders of magnitude off, even for the entire US spend. NY seems to be around 80 billion for total spend/revenues in 2020. And...
There are so many big issues in questions like this that it is had to meaningfully discuss unless people are coming from the same perspective. Voters ...
I don't know where you live, but my guess is that you live in a Christian culture surrounded by people that wouldn't identify as Progressive Christian...
Here is a snip-it. Repeating this time and again isn't all that helpful. If you ask a certain sort of religious person, that is the answer you will ge...
I can’t tell you a thing about him, but I’ve been a fan of Priests for over a decade. Once upon a time he came and visited the “old” forum. His willin...
@"baker", Additionally, since this is a philosophy forum and all, maybe you should consider the religion of the ancient Greeks and see if you can suss...
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