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I'd criticize you for that but I wouldn't want to stigmatize pet owners.

Reminds me of the Israeli lobby trick - you highlight Israeli war crimes so you must be an anti-semite. In this case, you highlight bad reasons for ab...

You're the one misunderstanding things. Maybe go read back over my earlier comments. Or possibly explore my posting history. I haven't suddenly forgot...

It's part of the package. The fetus just happens to have a lot more in its package than the embryo.

We treat people morally - unless we're sociopaths - mostly because we're built that way. If we need a philosophy book for much of our moral behaviour,...

I never claimed the fetus is just a mini-person. I've said time and time again, the "person" debate will get us nowhere. There is no agreed definition...

I'd have just as much a problem with that as with an infanticide under anaesthesia. The reason I brought up the pain issue was to test whether those o...

What I don't understand is why this idea of bodily autonomy should so outweigh all concerns about harm to the fetus even given the political considera...

I'm just trying to tease out your position. There are women who commit abortions on themselves without medical help. That's a reality, not just a thou...

Not necessarily. I don't believe in torturing animals, for example, and they're not people and should have some rights. We know fetuses feel pain. We ...

OK and would you consider any limits on the form of abortion a woman might wish to undertake?

My major problem with your position is not that it's not rational. My problem with your position is that it's undesirable due to the consequences.

My understanding of your basic position is that a woman has a right to do with her body what she pleases, and that because the fetus is part of her bo...

Of course, we could argue all day just over personhood and bodyhood etc. and it ends up being more philosophical blather. I made much that point befor...

You can call it what you like but it matters if that's the basis of your argument. Another consequence is that the about-to-be-born baby doesn't have ...

That's the consequence of you saying the baby is part of the pregnant woman's body.

So you would say a pregnant woman has two brains, four arms and four legs right?

The woman's body does not include the fetus. It contains the fetus.The fetus is also a body. It has all the basic physical characteristics of a body a...

Personhood in so far as it relates to abortion is a heap problem. To the Catholic church one grain of sand is a heap. To the super late abortionist 1 ...

Bah...I should really add supporters of super late-term abortions to pedophiles and creationists on my list of "Not worth debating" on the grounds tha...

If you're going to try a barb, at least get one on target. The Catholic position is no abortion at all even in cases of rape. That's not my position. ...

Happy Birthday, Tiffers. :)

Probably not the best place for an abortion debate. But to be honest, I don't see it is as even debateable when it comes to this case. I mean, if you ...

@"Moliere" The only argument for allowing abortions of 8 1/2 month fetuses, seeing as they have fully developed nervous systems, can feel pain, and la...

Sorry, Tiff told me you...Never mind. :(

Generalized label - European - left / American - far left. Form of government - Social democracy (at least as a starting point). Form of economy - Und...

Trump has small hands clearly disqualifying him from the presidency. When will the American people, distracted by his love for the KKK, Mussolini and ...

Thanks, Hanover, that is enlightening.

"Liberal" is too amorphous to identify with clearly. I am sympathetic to aspects of classical and social liberalism. But the liberal class in a countr...

Thanks, this is what I'm trying to get at. Is it just name recognition, or is there any substance to it?

There may be stereotyping going on in general, but I don't think it's necessarily stereotyping to ask the question I did. The question does assume tha...

And I was just showing why you're wrong. Conversation over.

Yawn. I'm not a liberal for starters. Secondly, I would have thought blacks as a demographic suffered more from Wall Street excesses than most so I wa...

Can someone explain to me why the Witch of Wall Street wins over 80% of the black vote?

Where's the high five smiley? :D

Nope. Well at least you didn't say Cruz who is almost comically villainous.

Sure, given a free choice, I'd vote for Jill Stein anyway.

Everyone really. In Trump's favour at least he's not a donors' puppet like Hillary or Rubio. In fact, if I were American and I had to vote for one, I'...

Quoth Trump: "I love the poorly educated!". (So do all the other pols, Donald). See, Republicans, this is what happens when you embrace Stupid.

https://youtu.be/hDMx0CSkU04

Yeah, I read that. I hope someone hangs him upside-down by the balls so he comes to understand what pain, struggle and despair are. It can be done in ...

OK, here it goes...My mom is a Republican.

I'll gladly feed that narrative.

Oh, I know, I was just trying to provoke you. I'll have to try harder next time. Of course people vote against their self-interest otherwise Sanders w...

To be fair to @"Hanover", completely selfish relatively rich people interested in nothing but how much tax they have to pay have plenty to gain from a...

He was given a four year mandate not a three year 2 month mandate. Period. Anyway, this is partisanship at its worst. Let's not insult anyone's intell...

War Is a Force that Gives Us Meaning - Chris Hedges.

The mid-term elections were pre-Trump. The party is in now in bits. Only an empty suit like Rubio can save it. Anyhow, not much to the Trump/Obama com...

It's a no-win for Republicans. If they obstruct, they'll get called on it, and with the Reagan precedent, there's nowhere to hide. Plus they'll probab...

We won't be getting significant numbers of new posters until we get permanently on to the first page of Google. And then, yes, the quality of posts ma...