Apollodorus

No one denies that there is humor in Plato's dialogues but to dismiss them as "comedy" is stretching it too far. Plus, even comedy may have a spiritua...

The Sedley and Long translation is slightly different. But in 69d it says: This and other statements would suggest that the speaker does see himself a...

I'm talking about protest movements in which violence is more likely to take place and that use slogans of this type, for example BLM. Instead of sayi...

Actually, that's an interesting statement. I tend to believe that fear can work in both directions. Some people believe in God as a result of fear whi...

The Ego And The Mechanisms Of Defense by A Freud explains exactly how defense mechanisms work. "Defense motivated by fear", etc. "Denial is often a fe...

Plato is also said to have been initiated into Egyptian mysteries as was Pythagoras. But you are right, we can't ignore the mystic aspect of Platonism...

I see what you mean. However, the problem I have with that is that most genuinely peaceful demonstrations do not tend to use that slogan. It tends to ...

Correct.

I tend to agree with that. Take the example of 85b where, on being asked who Socrates refers to (Apollo or some other master), he replied "I don't kno...

I never said "always". I said "denial is often a fear reaction". That's an established psychological fact.

Exactly. We can't exclude the possibility on logical or philosophical grounds.

So, I'm asking for a scientific reason and you call that "unreasonable"?

Talking about yourself again aren't you?

If. But that hasn't been established, has it? Where is the evidence that no atheist ever rejects the idea of God out of fear?

Yes, but as far as I am aware, denial is often a fear reaction. It is a function of the defense mechanism that seeks to protect the ego from things th...

Some Hindus, such as the followers of monistic Advaita Vedanta, yes, though the majority are dualists. These different traditions in fact correspond t...

lol Not at all. It's just a discussion suggested by @Athena which you volunteered to join if you care to recall. I don't really care about this or any...

As one of my teachers used to say, science says that the earth goes around the sun, while everyday experience says that the sun goes around the earth....

I never asked you to do anything about it. I simply asked you for your honest opinion. But if you think that a private organization that people don't ...

Well, the point I'm making is that the Fabian Society is a private member organization. When people vote for Labour, the vast majority are not aware o...

As I said, the analysis provided here isn’t “my analysis”, it is an analysis found in all critical authors and it is consistent with the Fabians’ own ...

Yes, but humans being all different, it will a bit difficult to find that. Of course you can try.

Didn't Mao Zedong settle that issue? I think it depends on how we define "happiness" in the first place. And then "best ways to achieve" it.

It is a commonly held view that ‘the Egyptians had no philosophy’ and that philosophy began with the Greeks. However, some of the major Greek philosop...

I agree. However, There appear to be a significant number of parallels between Egyptian and Greek philosophical traditions in addition to numerous sta...

I know. I was just wondering how an Anarchist would evaluate Fabianism (based on the data provided here).

Yes, further sources will be added as the discussion proceeds. I'm still doing research on it myself.

Indian influence may explain Pythagorean and Platonic belief in reincarnation, but other concepts are more likely to have an Egyptian origin/influence...

They certainly were highly advanced, indeed, we may say unsurpassed. I don't think philosophy has advanced much since Plato and Plotinus and for a ver...

Correct. I think part of the problem is that awareness is something that is difficult to grasp, let alone analyze in detail in a scientific context. T...

Well, I think you did mention that you are an Anarchist. So, for example, how would you reconcile Anarchism with the Fabian policy of state control?

I don't think thoughts can be reduced to matter. But they could be reduced to spirit. We have (1) thoughts and (2) an awareness of thoughts. The subje...

The word for “consciousness” in Greek, Latin and Sanskrit is: Greek: ?????????? suneidesis < sun + eidesis Latin: conscius < con + scio Sanskrit: ????...

That’s a very good observation. I have noticed huge changes in people’s behaviour since last year. You can actually see the psychological impact on mo...

Well, now that this has been addressed perhaps we could (re-) focus on the issue at hand.

Very interesting. Maybe we can discuss a few other points as well, once this has come to a conclusion. (Hopefully soon.)

I thought so because the Greek text doesn't have that ambiguity. ????????? ????? ???? ?? ??????, ???? ??? ????? ??? ????????? ?????, ???????? ?? ???? ...

Here's another translation by Fowler that supports the Sedley & Long one: 85b] but since they are Apollo's birds, I believe they have prophetic vision...

Yes, but especially with reference to prophecy, I think in this case the text refers to Apollo as indicated by the Sedley & Long translation.

The Sedley & Long version doesn't. You're using the wrong translation. Socrates is the dedicated servant of Apollo who is his master and god of prophe...

My translation (Sedley & Long, 2011) of 85b has: "Now I believe that I myself am the swans' fellow-slave and sacred to the same god, and have prophecy...

How does it indicate that? To me it is clear that he means Apollo.

Socrates means Apollo, his master and god of prophecy.

Spirit is that within and above us that illumines our mind from within and provides us with awareness of ourselves and of other things.

IMO it should be a bit of both. Government should function in accordance with (1) the will and (2) the best interests of the people.

Correct. The fundamental issues have never changed. What has changed is the political systems claiming to address them. And even these are essentially...

IMO that's where the problem lies with modern "liberal democracy" and with liberalism in general. Liberalism started as a movement aiming to win freed...

The youth are totally dependent on guidance and direction from the older ones. That's why education is so important. We have no control over the educa...

It is very interesting that Fabians were so indoctrinated or brainwashed that from the thousands of Fabian Society members very few ever rebelled agai...

Yes, we did agree that private property is a good thing. Once we have understood that the ultimate aim of Fabianism is to impose communism, we can see...