j0e

For me the dance is a metaphor for language. As thinkers, we're aren't IMV primarily individuals (see Feuerbach quote.) In the same way, a good driver...

I think that's a fair theme. To the degree that it's mine to decide, I like open discussions. So talking about what we mean by 'esoteric' is fair game...

Do you mean my realizing that the 'I' is primarily a 'we' ? As I see it, quite a few philosophers talk about this. I consider the realization the resu...

One last post for the night, which I think addresses the 'relativism' of OC and 'form of life' in general.

I don't know Mahler well, but his name makes me think of Bukowksi, who loved to drink and smoke and write to Mahler on the radio. (My Favorite Things ...

Ah yes, those elusive glimmers of the numinous...and I agree on the sources. Do you dig A Love Supreme? Solidarity! Yes. Also: 'The worst vice is ad.....

I think it's a deep question, because it's about what it means to be rational in a secular sense, but it's something like science being POV-invariant ...

Intensities of sublimation! The other (you) is/are a frontier, horizon, Beyond? from/of monotonous subjectivity? Striving toward (and as?) the more-th...

:up:

There may be an important difference in the 'exalted' sage. It's not just a matter of knowing our shared reality in more detail but seemingly knowing ...

I'm glad you emphasized this theme. I think I am trapped in the same way, and we both belong to some humanist scientific 'inner circle.' (I mean that ...

I think history is coming up because it's maybe 'really' about politics. Or largely about politics. Personally I want to live in Denmark and not this ...

I agree. It's off-topic (if also interesting.)

I agree. Humans are complex indeed. Yes, that makes the best sense now that you mention it (again, complex indeed.)

I think you are on to something, so I guess I was trying to build a bridge between you and @"Isaac". The Catholic church and Christianity in general l...

:up: They'd only be sure to have knowledge of those books, which might have its own value but is not the same thing. One can even imagine that false a...

Yes, the social role is especially fascinating. Even the quote mentions the charisma of its exponents. It's tempting to interpret claims of higher kno...

:up:

I agree that we kept the equality (equal before God the law ...one of these days.) I suggest that science is only the arbiter for some,some admittedly...

I don't think Wittgenstein is directly connected, though any charismatic thinker can inspire various 'inner circles' of those who (act is if, understa...

I lean that way myself. I suppose a secondary issue is whether 'our' rational/secular philosophy is its own kind of inner circle in a nonpejorative se...

I think this articulates the spirit that objects to the esoteric. To be a philosopher (in the newer, critical sense) is (roughly) to share this spirit...

Somehow we're all drawn to the same forum, literally and metaphorically, despite serious differences.

:up: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/10615/10615-h/10615-h.htm#link2HCH0001 This might be a bit too foundationalist, but the critical spirit is nice.

My own approach to this is 'Wittgensteinian.' I don't think 'direct experience' can mean more than a grand feeling here, since meaning is social. I ca...

:up:

I can understand a theory of the 'pure witness.' We can imagine that when humans (puppies) are born the a new perspective on the shared world is creat...

I'd say yes and no. In my view there's always at least a slight risk in dismissing an ambiguous other. Deciding that a poster here or someone at the w...

I relate to thinking that so-and-so basically doesn't get it, that so-and-so is following the wrong breadcrumbs, relative to my interpretation anyway....

http://fs2.american.edu/dfagel/www/Class%20Readings/Quine/TwoDogmasofEmpiricism.htm This passage came to mind as I was thinking about controversial th...

:up: Wow. Tribalism. Not pleasant. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/husserl/ Husserl was taught by mathematical greats, had a PhD in math. Half-natu...

What do you make of this? The ghost in the machine is an absurd or an insane posit, yet it looked plausible, because we ignored how much it depended o...

I agree, but surely you are also aware of the anti-intellectualism that seizes on this kind of statement. It's too general. Who's unsimple in the bad ...

Consider though that you introduced the theme of rushing. Reading lots of thinkers is something one does over a lifetime. Personally I've tended to be...

Continuing as before to branch out from W to similar thinkers: https://lenguajeyconocimiento.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/sobre-brandom.pdf These thing...

In this post I'll try to link Wittgenstein to other thinkers. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/social-ontology/history.html

I'm not sure, but perhaps that post is a parody? Since 'it' is so objectifying ('it rubs the lotion on its skin'), it's easy to think this is a joke. ...

Actually don't know much about that stuff, but it makes sense that his work would be useful.

I agree that those questions make little or no difference. Well I'm too much of a snob to read them (more seriously, I can't bear the style) but my wi...

:up:

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: I think even the later Witt (in PI) is still swatting down prejudices about language that get in the way of our everyday...

The mind-body problem was (seems to me) made possible by a theoretical invention with serious flaws that tends to be taken for granted, rather than as...

It seems to me that it's (only a) game if no one uses it to make serious decisions. IMV, politics is deeply intertwined with philosophy (is applied ph...

This is the guild thing again. Let's say there's a genuine or pure Buddhism but there's no way to check. You know it directly or not at all. The doctr...

:up: Note that you mention guilds. Those make perfect sense to me. That's peer review! That's not the isolated insight that doesn't communicated itsel...

:up: The difficult point for me is that some of my favorite philosophers conceptually make a case against dualism. One is led dialectically from crude...

:up: Right, and you make a good point. Language is huge, but it doesn't substitute for everything.

I sympathize with the value of slow, patient study. But imagine a fanboy of X who's just stuck in the charisma and perspective of a few thinkers. IMV,...

I agree, but why/how? I speculate that it's part of the language we're trained into being able to use with others.

Indeed. We might ask why we all think that pain-killers can be effective if no one can check in the secret box of the other where pain is supposed to ...