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Programming and Deprogramming.

Shawn May 10, 2020 at 20:42 5875 views 40 comments
When we get raised, brought up and shit, shit happens to us. Unavoidably the parent thinks this is normal. The child group up with his or her programming, and then goes through life.

At some point the now adult or even teenager rebels from his or her programming, and says, this was not fair. I didn't ask for it. Or goes on and tried to change the social structure they live in. Such is life.

Yet, I have stagnated in a sense over such sever programming, that I want to entirely deprogram myself. This was unjust, my life says all over. I have been subjected to too much of this programming.

Yet, the 60's wen't batshit, and said, down with all of this, we do not absolutely accept this, and then got whipped and put down like a turd down a toilet. What exactly wen't wrong with the 60's sentiment?

Furthermore, education is modification in incrimental steps. At first, we get programmed, then we reprogram. I didn't like my educational experience, I had troubled with authority. It was just fuckery written all over it. I went to college, and spent a near fortune on drugs, which were the best educational experience I could get.

How does one deprogram or reprogram? What's the secret here?

Comments (40)

Deleted User May 10, 2020 at 20:47 #411551
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Shawn May 10, 2020 at 20:49 #411552
Quoting tim wood
Broadly speaking, philosophy. Done as seriously as one can, not like a twit as with many of us here. Serious questions, serious answers to those questions.


I feel as though this is the best of all possible channels. But, the remote is a little inflexible. I've gotten programmed hard here. How about you?
Shawn May 10, 2020 at 20:59 #411555
*stalling*
Deleted User May 10, 2020 at 21:00 #411556
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Shawn May 10, 2020 at 21:01 #411557
Quoting tim wood
Best advice I ever got was from an unlikely source, and a throw-away line at that: "Sometimes you just have to kick yourself out the front door." Doesn't mean you cannot or should not plan, but when the time comes to move, move. And if that's a problem, then the solution.


You must be moving at light-speed man.

Deleted User May 10, 2020 at 21:03 #411558
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Shawn May 10, 2020 at 21:04 #411559
Quoting tim wood
We all are, all the time, through space-time.


*bliss*
creativesoul May 10, 2020 at 21:06 #411560
Quoting Shawn
I want to entirely deprogram myself.


With this, I can relate Shawn. There is no easy way to go about doing that though. It is a very very taxing ongoing everyday situation, and requires a good bit of understanding not only about what exactly needs 'reprogrammed' and/or changed, but also how to go about effecting/affecting such change. It also requires good judgment because in order to change one's initial mostly adopted worldview, one must seek out other world-views about the same things. Given the sheer propensity for unreliable information, one must somehow be able to separate trustworthy information from untrustworthy information...

Assuming of course that by reprogramming one wishes to avoid having and/or holding false belief. I would hope that that is a part of your own goal(s).

Put as simply as possible...

A reprogramming is a change in one's worldview, in how one thinks about the world and/or themselves. World-views consist of thought and belief. Thus, a change in programming is a change in worldview which is a change in one's own belief-system about the world and/or oneself.
Shawn May 10, 2020 at 21:12 #411562
Quoting creativesoul
A reprogramming is a change in one's worldview, in how one thinks about the world and/or themselves. World-views consist of thought and belief. Thus, a change in programming is a change in worldview which is a change in one's own belief-system about the world and/or oneself.


What then, is a deprogramming sequence?

Shawn May 10, 2020 at 21:15 #411563
OK, I think I understand. But, can you actually deprogram and then reprogram, your-self?
creativesoul May 10, 2020 at 21:16 #411564
What's the relevance of such a name/label when regarding how to go about identifying the beliefs that you adopted while learning language?

That's the first step. Set out as many of the adopted belief within your own worldview that you can.
Shawn May 10, 2020 at 21:17 #411565
Quoting creativesoul
That's the first step. Set out as many of the adopted belief within your own worldview that you can.


Too fucking many, creative! Is creativity the answer? Is it really?
creativesoul May 10, 2020 at 21:17 #411566
Quoting Shawn
can you actually deprogram and then reprogram, your-self?


Not completely... nor is it needed. Not completely by yourself, it takes others.
Shawn May 10, 2020 at 21:18 #411567
I just keep on stalling creative. We're raised to accept death, can you believe that?
creativesoul May 10, 2020 at 21:18 #411568
Quoting Shawn
That's the first step. Set out as many of the adopted belief within your own worldview that you can.
— creativesoul

Too fucking many, creative!


As I said... it ain't easy. It has to be done though. Not all adopted belief need to be tossed.
creativesoul May 10, 2020 at 21:20 #411569
Quoting Shawn
We're raised to accept death, can you believe that?


Yup, I can believe that. What's wrong with accepting death?
Shawn May 10, 2020 at 21:21 #411570
Quoting creativesoul
Yup, I can believe that. What's wrong with accepting death?


It's cruel. We shouldn't accept death and become apathetic, should we? It hurts auer Gee-Dee-Pee.
creativesoul May 10, 2020 at 21:23 #411571
Reply to Shawn

Cruelty is accompanied by unnecessary harm and lack of concern for another's suffering. Accepting death is not(or does not necessarily/always include that as well). Nor does accepting the fact that death happens require also being apathetic about it.

Not sure what the mention of GDP has to do with this.
Shawn May 10, 2020 at 21:24 #411572
Quoting creativesoul
Not sure what the mention of GDP has to do with this.


Good programming is good GDP.
creativesoul May 10, 2020 at 21:26 #411573
Ah... I think you're referring to the current collective attempts at restarting the American economy which are attempting to have Americans accept the fact that some people will die?

Shawn May 10, 2020 at 21:27 #411575
Quoting creativesoul
Ah... I think you're referring to the current collective attempts at restarting the American economy which are attempting to have Americans accept the fact that some people will die?


Bingo, you're always on point.

I do not understand how pre-schools and schools got shut down. How did this travesty happen?
creativesoul May 10, 2020 at 21:27 #411576
What does that have to do with your own expressed desire to reprogram yourself?
Shawn May 10, 2020 at 21:27 #411578
Quoting creativesoul
What does that have to do with your own expressed desire to reprogram yourself?


Too much error code?
creativesoul May 10, 2020 at 21:31 #411582
Quoting Shawn
I do not understand how pre-schools and schools got shut down. How did this travesty happen?


The travesty is not the shutting down. That was - and is still - required for public safety.

The mistake in public programming(the language being used to talk about the pandemic nearly across the board atm) is to call the shut down a travesty, as if it is the problem. It's not. Rather, those measures were taken based upon our knowledge of how to best stop the spread of infectious disease which is, in turn, based upon our own past experience of them.
Shawn May 10, 2020 at 21:32 #411583
Quoting creativesoul
The travesty is not the shutting down. That was - and is still - required for public safety.

The mistake in public programming(the language being used to talk about the pandemic nearly across the board atm) is to call the shut down a travesty, as if it is the problem. It's not. Rather, those measures were taken based upon our knowledge of how to best stop the spread of infectious disease which is, in turn, based upon our own past experience of them.


I'm still reprogramming, here. Bear with me here. What was the point of shutting down schools? It's not kids travel to Malaysia or China for the matter.
Shawn May 10, 2020 at 21:47 #411596
Ok, go, @creativesoul, I'm ready for a little more. I have to shut down soon.
creativesoul May 10, 2020 at 21:48 #411597
Quoting Shawn
What was the point of shutting down schools? It's not kids travel to Malaysia or China for the matter.


Short answer. To protect the public with the only means available at the time. To stop the spread of covid19.


Longer answer...

The only way to stop an infectious disease pandemic is to stop the spread. That's easiest and entirely manageable only when the case numbers are low enough to do effective contact tracing and mandatory quarantine of those infected. When those steps are taken, the overall damage is tremendously reduced and public safety is highest. In addition, everyday life for most people goes on far less impeded. There would have been no need to shut everything down, as a last resort for public safety, had we been aggressively tracking and tracing all the known cases early on.

Unfortunately, we began taking the steps necessary for reducing the spread, and all the damage that results from a pandemic far too late, and thus were forced to reduce the spread by the only means left available to us.

In order to stop the spread, those who are infected must be isolated from those are not. In order to know who is infected, we have to test people who are symptomatic and people who are not. We do not have the capability to perform the sheer numbers of tests that needs to be performed. So, we currently - still - do not even know how many people have the virus. We also do not have the tests that we need in order to ascertain that much.

Social distancing measures are the next best thing, including the shut down of all non essential activities... including schools.


Shawn May 10, 2020 at 21:49 #411598
Reply to creativesoul

OK, so everyone got shut down. Including harmless children and preschoolers at school. What a crazy world.
creativesoul May 10, 2020 at 21:52 #411600
Children are not the victims. Their safety was being taken into consideration. Many many more children and families would have contracted and died from covid19 had we not shut down.

We still do not have what it takes to reopen without seriously increased numbers in unnecessary deaths.
Shawn May 10, 2020 at 22:35 #411614
Quoting creativesoul
We still do not have what it takes to reopen without seriously increased numbers in unnecessary deaths.


Are you serious?
creativesoul May 10, 2020 at 22:46 #411618
Of course. The case numbers and deaths continue to be on the rise, even with all the social distancing measures and shut downs. Imagine what would happen if all those infected were allowed to mingle freely...
Shawn May 10, 2020 at 22:55 #411620
I don't believe that is true. Covid cases are decreasing not increasing. And those already infected are already watched over.
creativesoul May 11, 2020 at 15:56 #411838
I don't know what to tell you then Shawn. The number of cases and deaths increase daily.
Shawn May 11, 2020 at 17:57 #411877
Reply to creativesoul

Sorry, did some research, and you're actually correct. My bad. What a crazy world.
0 thru 9 May 12, 2020 at 11:37 #412088
Interesting thought... reprogramming our minds, washing out the brainwashing, so to speak. In some ways, I think I’ve tried something similar. And still am almost daily. For whatever it is worth, chanting seems to help me connect with what could be called “the original mind” or “sky above the clouds, the sea beneath the waves”. Like for example in this video:

creativesoul May 13, 2020 at 04:08 #412258
Reply to Shawn

Shawn, I have one thing to stress and then a suggestion. Changing one's programming requires coming to acceptable terms with what was happened, is happening, and sometimes with what one thinks is going to happen.

A healthy thought life is not all that hard to achieve so long as you take advice from reliable source.

My suggestion is to intentionally and deliberately set each and every presupposition(pre-existing belief you have about anything and everything) aside whenever it is possible and learn to see the world via borrowing another's eyes. We each have a worldly fingerprint impressed upon us as a result of learning how to talk about the world and/or ourselves. We adopt belief about what sorts of things to aspire towards and what sorts of things to despise; what sorts of behaviours are acceptable and what sorts of behaviours are not. We are taught how to treat others. We are taught how to think about others. This teaching does not require explicit language describing the situation as it's happening. Rather, we are shown by witnessing that very behaviour.

There's an author from Toltec lineage/background 'named' Don Miguel Ruiz. The author wrote a book called "The Four Agreements", which brilliantly explains a method for cultivating an everyday healthy thought life. I personally set all of the religious bits to the side, as they aren't needed to benefit from the wisdom in that book. It's been well over a decade, but I retain fond memories.

I strongly suggest it as a read for anyone and everyone who wants to change the way they think and thus feel about the world and/or themselves. It's a great starting point.
Shawn May 13, 2020 at 04:39 #412262
Quoting creativesoul
Shawn, I have one thing to stress and then a suggestion. Changing one's programming requires coming to acceptable terms with what was happened, is happening, and sometimes with what one thinks is going to happen.


I have attempted something of this sort through distinguishing between needs and wants. How has that come about for you?
Shawn May 13, 2020 at 04:40 #412263
Reply to 0 thru 9

Something else man.
creativesoul May 13, 2020 at 04:46 #412265
Reply to Shawn

Addressing one's needs and wants assumes some remarkable demonstrable difference between the two. The difference is clear enough sometimes, but not so much at others. I'm not sure there is one all the time.

I'm a minimalist in life and theory(theory and everyday practice).

Good stuff. What does one really need? Positive social interaction. Trustworthy and dependable neighbors and friends. Contentment.

True belief about the world and/or oneself.

That's on page numero uno in my book.
creativesoul May 13, 2020 at 04:56 #412266
Do that which would make the world a better place if done by everyone who finds themselves in whatever particular situation one finds themselves in.